EVE General Discussion

OP, I already know you will ignore the naysayers of your craft in this thread (and in local), as you should. Your manifesto was a fantastic read and you've converted me from someone who just condoned highsec miner ganking into a fervent supporter of the practice.

If you too want to bring excitement back into this great game then take arms, rid the once pristine hisec ice belts of these heartless carebear desecrators and restore them to their former glory!

Oh crap ganking is becoming mainstream, better train up mining barges

This very nicely sums up my view as well. The OP is some amazingly written narcissistic drivel, but the gankers are still a large part of what makes EVE what it is. That's what makes this sandbox great.

PS to the OP, loved the environmentalist touch with the ice belt description. 9/10. :D

And I quote:

"If she won the duel, I was to leave the system forever. If I won, nothing would happen. But in exchange, prior to the duel, she would CONCORD her mining ship. I accepted these terms and waited in the Ice Field with my Ibis while she took the time to fit her ship with mining equipment.

When she warped into the Ice Field, she was out of range, so I instructed her to attack one of the miners with her attack drones. She did, and she was promptly CONCORDed for her troubles. After her aggression period expired, she launched her rokh and asked me to meet for our high-stakes duel.

I demurred. I announced that although I was canceling the duel for lack of interest (on my part), I would continue to shoot all of her miner friends in the Ice Field...."

Ok, so if I have this right - you agreed to a fair duel, the pre-condition for which was that the miner would lose their ship... she went through with it, and blew her ship up, and then you chickened out?
Wow. Just wow.

EVE folks - time to abandon the current mechanics due to idiots like this. Make PvP attacks impossible in Hi-sec, and make mining such that it's not automate-able (and more fun). Give the users the ability to mine for about 1/2 hour, in a single ship, without having to dump ore, or multi-acc, or bot, or whatever.

You want more fun and more action - make earning ISK or ships or ship parts easier!
I wouldn't mind losing a ship or two so much if I didn't have to spend so much time earning it!

Compare your game to something like Lotro... in Lotro, there is a story, an epic you go through, that will take you a long time to finish. In order to do so, there are some grinds, but the eye is always on the story, and getting back to it.

In EVE, it's only the grind - grind to get money, and better ships... but why? Especially when there's always human garbage like the OP who are more than willing or ready to gank you out of what you worked hard to gain.

I think I'm slowly starting to talk myself out of this game. I'm tired of ... well, not having fun.

That was a huge wall of text with excuses to justify you feeling good about yourself (while being critical of miners who do the same)

Coupled with a fair number of inaccurate whitewashes and several strawman arguments you went a long way to do what I can simply sum up as this.

You suicide gank miners because you feel like doing it, because you can and you get a sense of fun and enjoyment out of it.

Funnily enough, some people mine for the exact same reasons, they enjoy doing it because they find it fun (yes fun is perceptive) and they find it enjoyable.



Personally? Play the game however you want, if you find yourself having to justify it to other people then you're doing it wrong. Why give a flying crap about what other people think, so long as you're not breaking the game rules then your account is yours to do what you want with it.

...and ratting bots are humans because in nullsec there are no bots.

You Sir have managed to pull me away from doing Homework and studying to actually take time to read the entire thing and post a decent reply. Congrats! Though you probably are just enjoying the reactions to all of this considering you have't posted anything else since the OP. Or are ignoring everything said negatively against you because you don't actually want to argue with people, you just want attention.

Started reading this thinking it would say something similar to what I know the motivations of miner suicide ganking in High Sec is, you shoot something it dies, and that's fun for you. End of story who the **** cares? Do I care about highsec botters/miners either? Not really, they like to mine or do something else in EVE that they enjoy by funding it with a mining alt etc. Once again, WHO THE **** CARES!

You lost most of my respect when you railed against the miners for doing something with near 100% safety and then when someone actually tried to provide a challenge to you(i.e. the person who tanked their hulk or the person who tried to 1v1) you quit and did nothing. You yourself state that you basically have zero risk while suicide ganking because your safe until Concord kills you and via a scam(If that is the real reason for your isk you have slightly less honor than the botters you rail against in my opinion) your isk needs are nil. Therefore because you can lose a large amount of ships and not have anything happen except go to 0.0 for ratting runs wheres the risk in it for you?

And for those who are wondering Suicide Ganking is PvP in its basest form if it could even be considered PvP at all. I guess the nuances require SOME skill but compared to someone who actually fights back the skill needed to gank is minimal.

I know people who gank and may participate myself at one point but let me see if I get this right. Fit something cheap with High Alpha, Blaster Vexor, Arty Thrasher etc or maybe something with Smartbombs. Warp to a belt, lock, maybe point or scram, kill, die, Rinse, Repeat...aside from finding the right ways to fit a ship or a good target wheres the skill?

I myself am a FW PvPer who uses Missions to fund my inevitable ships losses, I am currently training up an Industrial/Mining alt so that I can PvP more and mission less. I have been ganked in Jita and I have participated in ganks, at least in low sec.

So basically my response is thus.
10/10 for grammer and fluid language that make for a good read.
5/10 on logic
10/10 BJ skills for the Goonies, JUST because you were in goonswarm for a while and treat Kaartoom or wtf his name is and Mittens like God, Jesus Christ, Chuck Norris, Buddha, Ghandhi and Nelson Mandela all rolled into one doesn't mean you have any affiliation with Goonswarm. Right?

See You Starside
~Simyaldee

I agree. Only one problem, though. Anyone who actually spent 5 hours reading the EULA will know that it outright forbids griefing. Paraphrased (because I don't remember the exact wording), it says: "Any player is allowed to conduct any kind of activities within the game, so long as the activities do not deprive another player of enjoyment of the game." Since griefing is all about this, it should technically be forbidden. But then again, I don't mind if bot-miners are getting ganked. It's their own fault for not being careful, and it does eliminate a bunch of competitors.

That's an awful lot of public masturbation. You must be chaffed.

The bolded parts paint you as an amazingly smart individual with excellent reading comprehension.

Seriously copy pasting karttoon is way faster than typing ''Khwarthu'um or whatevz is name are''. Don't be ******** on purpose as a way to show off your lack of interest, it doesn't work.

edit: also don't manually sign your posts unless you're Mr Epeen