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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Victor Andall
#3761 - 2014-04-30 21:43:45 UTC
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:

It's near impossible for me to see a long term future of CCP that doesn't involve avatar based game play in the vein of Incarna/WiS. It may not come as part of EVE, but it will certainly play a role in all of the New Eden Products.


Remove your emotional blinders, they tend to filter out a lot of reality.





http://youtu.be/4dRlgzE_7FI?t=28m43s



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"We have not let go of this idea. We know there's a powerful idea here." - CCP_Pokethulhu. 10/25/2013


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3762 - 2014-04-30 21:51:47 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3763 - 2014-04-30 21:53:59 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.



You know, you really just described WIS. Blink

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Victor Andall
#3764 - 2014-04-30 21:56:46 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.


Same people who were working on the technology for WiS if I recall correctly?

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#3765 - 2014-04-30 22:26:12 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.



You know, you really just described WIS. Blink



SC backers approved this concept as you can see. Or is it just a Chris Roberts magic name?
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3766 - 2014-04-30 22:28:42 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.


Same people who were working on the technology for WiS if I recall correctly?


Doesn't mean it's the same thing. If I remember rightly, the wod engine was a fork of the incarna engine used in the cq, which ended the possibility of shared resources as the original cq engine just wasn't up to the task. Point is, getting rid of wod doesn't change the state of play for wis.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3767 - 2014-04-30 22:35:39 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.



You know, you really just described WIS. Blink



SC backers approved this concept as you can see. Or is it just a Chris Roberts magic name?


SC backers approved theme park content and game play which is not available yet. CCP backers approved spaceships and PVP and the fixing/updating of existing features.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3768 - 2014-04-30 22:36:46 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.



You know, you really just described WIS. Blink



I respectfully disagree as always, it's my opinion that avatar content would be a pivotal moment in the direction of ccp, they were more than willing to bank their future on it once before and had a strategic plan for revenue, meaning that it must have been feasible. This doesn't change the fact that they botched the implementation of it.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3769 - 2014-04-30 22:39:57 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.


Same people who were working on the technology for WiS if I recall correctly?


Doesn't mean it's the same thing. If I remember rightly, the wod engine was a fork of the incarna engine used in the cq, which ended the possibility of shared resources as the original cq engine just wasn't up to the task. Point is, getting rid of wod doesn't change the state of play for wis.


I think you may be confusing the issue with technology capability, when it's simply a matter of no executable and deliverable game plan that meets significant player expectations.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#3770 - 2014-04-30 22:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Doc Fury wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:


Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?


In a totally different game that was a drain on CCP's budgets with no hope of ever making the money back.



You know, you really just described WIS. Blink



SC backers approved this concept as you can see. Or is it just a Chris Roberts magic name?


SC backers approved theme park content and game play which is not available yet. CCP backers approved spaceships and PVP and the fixing/updating of existing features.





Not available yet? Tell me what is not relevant NOW. And where in SC you don't get spaceships and PVP? What is different it will not have null space and people pushing F1 in a massive blobfests. I don't think it's a must have for every game, and sandbox in eve is more like a freedom to misbehave or behave in an orderly manner, CCP have all the strings in their hands. That is what draws people to EVE. Avatars or spaceships, doesn't really matter if you could switch models, and stick to the general EVE "space is harsh and you can do what you want" idea.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3771 - 2014-04-30 22:58:36 UTC
Latest rumour is that EVE: legion is either dust on PC or a standalone game for WiS.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3772 - 2014-04-30 23:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Bagrat Skalski wrote:

Not available yet? Tell me what is not relevant NOW. And where in SC you don't get spaceships and PVP? What is different it will not have null space and people pushing F1 in a massive blobfests. I don't think it's a must have for every game, and sandbox in eve is more like a freedom to misbehave or behave in an orderly manner, CCP have all the strings in their hands. That is what draws people to EVE. Avatars or spaceships, doesn't really matter if you could switch models, and stick to the general EVE "space is harsh and you can do what you want" idea.


Why can't you or I play SC right now?

That's pretty darn relevant.

It does not matter what SC backers approve or not. What matters is who's providing entertainment TODAY worthy of paying money for. Right now you must think that's CCP or you would be playing something else, and not here where you are adding to CCP's balance sheet..

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#3773 - 2014-04-30 23:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
One more thing, Eve would probably lost their current rating because the sort of misbehaving with avatars on current EVE universe should get "murder with cold blood and then go to brothel" kind of level.


If you did not see why backers did not get it yet, than i will tell you, It is not ready yet because of choppiness and bugs. Duuuuh. You have your relevancy, you asked for it.

I am not adding to the CCP balance sheet anymore, actually i stopped some time ago, I have played my deal and have still 50 days left, maybe in future I will resub. Say, after 3 years when the mighty plan will be.... finished? CCP have a "reputation" you know.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3774 - 2014-05-01 00:11:58 UTC
Some screenshots from the now canceled world of darkness game are starting to surface

http://themittani.com/news/world-darkness-images-and-manual-leaked
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ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#3775 - 2014-05-01 00:31:01 UTC
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Gallente Federation
#3776 - 2014-05-01 00:45:42 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Latest rumour is that EVE: legion is either dust on PC or a standalone game for WiS.


Stand alone is as good as nothing. You are back to the starting point with the integration issues etc. I want one game, not many games.
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3777 - 2014-05-01 13:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Crasniya
Hope we see some WiS at Fanfest.

Flamespar wrote:
Some screenshots from the now canceled world of darkness game are starting to surface

http://themittani.com/news/world-darkness-images-and-manual-leaked


Looks like we could've had fully functional WiS by now.

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#3778 - 2014-05-01 14:22:44 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Latest rumour is that EVE: legion is either dust on PC or a standalone game for WiS.

PC version of Dust according to drunken devs in Iceland.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#3779 - 2014-05-01 15:21:37 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Latest rumour is that EVE: legion is either dust on PC or a standalone game for WiS.

PC version of Dust according to drunken devs in Iceland.



Major mistake if true.

Keyboard and Mouse support is already available, they just need to not be clowns about emulating it and give it raw input. The game would work fine on PS4, it just needs to ditch PS3's hardware limitations.

Secondly, putting it on PC will do nothing for the game as far as population goes. PC audience is always smaller.

All it really CAN do is introduce hackers to the equation. If that happens, I'm out.
Beofryn Sedorak
#3780 - 2014-05-01 15:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Beofryn Sedorak
Kuronaga wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Latest rumour is that EVE: legion is either dust on PC or a standalone game for WiS.

PC version of Dust according to drunken devs in Iceland.



Major mistake if true.

Keyboard and Mouse support is already available, they just need to not be clowns about emulating it and give it raw input. The game would work fine on PS4, it just needs to ditch PS3's hardware limitations.

Secondly, putting it on PC will do nothing for the game as far as population goes. PC audience is always smaller.

All it really CAN do is introduce hackers to the equation. If that happens, I'm out.


On PS3 they're grasping for an entirely new audience. (Console players)

On PC They have an established audience to tap into and then expand upon. (Existing CCP fans)

I read something just yesterday that the PC market is now exceeding the console gaming market. I can't recall where I read it, so if someone else has any insight as to the validity of this claim please share it with us.

As for "All it can do" That's an incredibly short sighted and frankly ignorant statement. Is there greater risk of cheaters on PC? My opinion would be yes. Is that a strong enough reason to NOT come to PC? While it's worth consideration while making the decision, By itself I wouldn't say it's reason enough to not deploy to PC. There are plenty of FPS shooters on PC that are successful despite the risk of cheaters.

As for "[other things] it can do" It can increase the the connectivity between the two community's as you will have a greatly increased number of players that are playing both and we'd likely see a forum section added to the EVE forums for it. Additionally, it would open up greater options for connectivity between the two games. Possibly even the platform to develop WiS on.

As for putting it on the PS4. If it came to PC, that in itself doesn't tell us that they WON'T release to PS4 also, They're already making Valkyrie a multiple platform product and Dust is already on the Unreal engine (easy to port to multiple platforms). Additionally, if they bring it to PC we'll likely see a serious bump in the overall quality of the graphics potential which would also lend itself to the PS4 nicely too.