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Flamespar
WarRavens
#3681 - 2014-04-26 07:28:45 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Came across the video of the WoD graphics tech


That video show CCP's methods in a nutshell: 7 years of development, a game/feature is on fanfest to attract attention, next year - shutdown. There must be minimal competition on sci-fi MMO market if company may survive with business practices like that.

(+ lately I expect good games only from Korean devs, western MMO industry is in state of decay with its love to cheapest/ugly content and huge marketing budgets)


It's a shame. That's a lot of money that has been thrown out the door with no result.

Good thing that more and more EVE players are asking for avatar content though. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Kudos12345
Doomheim
#3682 - 2014-04-26 11:50:37 UTC
Well I hope CCP refocuses on this part of game play.
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
#3683 - 2014-04-26 12:29:02 UTC
I hope now Atlanta with WoD developers could focus and work on WiS and connection between EVE, DUST and Valkyrie.
What would be the most logical thing that comes to my head
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3684 - 2014-04-26 14:55:49 UTC
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:
I hope now Atlanta with WoD developers could focus and work on WiS and connection between EVE, DUST and Valkyrie.
What would be the most logical thing that comes to my head

They were all laid off.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3685 - 2014-04-26 15:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Rhes wrote:
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:
I hope now Atlanta with WoD developers could focus and work on WiS and connection between EVE, DUST and Valkyrie.
What would be the most logical thing that comes to my head

They were all laid off nerfed.


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Silent Rambo
Orion Positronics
#3686 - 2014-04-26 16:46:26 UTC
Flamespar wrote:

Haven't you seen the two year old threadnaught where players from all across EVE voice their interest in a SOV revamp.

Oh that's right. There isn't one.


+1

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?
Beofryn Sedorak
#3687 - 2014-04-26 17:16:07 UTC
Silent Rambo wrote:
Flamespar wrote:

Haven't you seen the two year old threadnaught where players from all across EVE voice their interest in a SOV revamp.

Oh that's right. There isn't one.


+1


+2
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3688 - 2014-04-26 21:15:52 UTC
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:
Silent Rambo wrote:
Flamespar wrote:

Haven't you seen the two year old threadnaught where players from all across EVE voice their interest in a SOV revamp.

Oh that's right. There isn't one.


+1


+2


Sov is dead, there will be no rework.

at best it will be replaced with deployable modules that confer some type of Sov, but that's it. I don't blame CCP though for going with the cheapest option for null sec as we're talking about a tiny minority of players who actually have an interest in sov.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Silent Rambo
Orion Positronics
#3689 - 2014-04-27 00:16:16 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

Sov is dead, there will be no rework.

at best it will be replaced with deployable modules that confer some type of Sov, but that's it. I don't blame CCP though for going with the cheapest option for null sec as we're talking about a tiny minority of players who actually have an interest in sov.


The only way to increase the interest in it is to fix it so smaller groups can take systems. I also wouldn't say around 1/5 of the player base to be small. It will be iterated on, but probably not fixed immediately.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#3690 - 2014-04-27 03:23:09 UTC
Silent Rambo wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

Sov is dead, there will be no rework.

at best it will be replaced with deployable modules that confer some type of Sov, but that's it. I don't blame CCP though for going with the cheapest option for null sec as we're talking about a tiny minority of players who actually have an interest in sov.


The only way to increase the interest in it is to fix it so smaller groups can take systems. I also wouldn't say around 1/5 of the player base to be small. It will be iterated on, but probably not fixed immediately.
Well yeah I agree in general, it's something that needs to be worked on, SOV and POS etc. Also with concerns to FW too (which has improved much), not just nul. I can't see WiS ever being accepted by the majority of players until CCP finishes what they set out to do in regards to fixing this game. Adding lots more stuff just slows down that goal. People think it's somehow a popular idea now just because the majority of players don't bother to discuss it any longer, to object so much... to an old warn out topic really dead and buried for all intents and purposes. But who knows what the future will bring, but now it's the same as the past couple years, getting the mess cleaned up.

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3691 - 2014-04-27 03:57:11 UTC
Webvan wrote:
I can't see WiS ever being accepted by the majority of players until CCP finishes what they set out to do in regards to fixing this game. Adding lots more stuff just slows down that goal. People think it's somehow a popular idea now just because the majority of players don't bother to discuss it any longer, to object so much... to an old warn out topic really dead and buried for all intents and purposes.

This guy gets it.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3692 - 2014-04-27 09:22:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Crasniya
Webvan wrote:
I can't see WiS ever being accepted by the majority of players until CCP finishes what they set out to do in regards to fixing this game. Adding lots more stuff just slows down that goal. People think it's somehow a popular idea now just because the majority of players don't bother to discuss it any longer, to object so much... to an old warn out topic really dead and buried for all intents and purposes. But who knows what the future will bring, but now it's the same as the past couple years, getting the mess cleaned up.


The community isn't going to still be around if CCP merely "fixes the game" for the next couple years, while other companies are releasing just downright better games. If CCP doesn't get with the "actually add stuff to EVE" program, it'll die off, and then you'll maybe see DUST and Valkyrie, and maybe this Legion thing we've heard is trademarked, being the future of New Eden, where EVE left off.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#3693 - 2014-04-27 10:06:36 UTC
Crasniya wrote:
Webvan wrote:
I can't see WiS ever being accepted by the majority of players until CCP finishes what they set out to do in regards to fixing this game. Adding lots more stuff just slows down that goal. People think it's somehow a popular idea now just because the majority of players don't bother to discuss it any longer, to object so much... to an old warn out topic really dead and buried for all intents and purposes. But who knows what the future will bring, but now it's the same as the past couple years, getting the mess cleaned up.


The community isn't going to still be around if CCP merely "fixes the game" for the next couple years, while other companies are releasing just downright better games. If CCP doesn't get with the "actually add stuff to EVE" program, it'll die off, and then you'll maybe see DUST and Valkyrie, and maybe this Legion thing we've heard is trademarked, being the future of New Eden, where EVE left off.


How do you know that? Do you have any data that backs up your claims? Also what "better" games are being released that compete with EvE Online?

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#3694 - 2014-04-27 10:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Crasniya wrote:


The community isn't going to still be around if CCP merely "fixes the game" for the next couple years, while other companies are releasing just downright better games. If CCP doesn't get with the "actually add stuff to EVE" program, it'll die off, and then you'll maybe see DUST and Valkyrie, and maybe this Legion thing we've heard is trademarked, being the future of New Eden, where EVE left off.

EVE has over 10yrs of development, that's a lot of catching up for those "better" games to do. Fixing broken stuff IS new content.

I'm in it for the money

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#3695 - 2014-04-27 10:16:17 UTC
There's always going to be stuff to "fix".

Always.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#3696 - 2014-04-27 10:34:59 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
There's always going to be stuff to "fix".

Always.



There is much less problems to fix today compared to 2011. The game is in great shape, and this new industry expansion looks very promising.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3697 - 2014-04-27 22:50:20 UTC
The great joy of eve is its complexity, there's a lot you can do with the user interface, it's functional but needs a lot of polish. I'm happy that they are currently focusing on this for the time being, a great looking game can only attract more subs, as for sov it's not something that affects everyone in the game that's why it's bottom of the list in the development cycle.

Unless you are in the leadership of a null sec alliance or Corp sov isn't that important at all. The rank and file null bears are just happy to be in blue space, even the guys that form up for fleets and calls to arms are only interested in having a good fight, not sov as such as that's the domain of the alliance strategists.

Like I say, pos's will be replaced by deployable structures and this makes a lot of sense, sov will probably be treated the same way.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3698 - 2014-04-27 22:51:31 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
There's always going to be stuff to "fix".

Always.



There is much less problems to fix today compared to 2011. The game is in great shape, and this new industry expansion looks very promising.


The new manufacturing screen looks stunning.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3699 - 2014-04-27 23:39:38 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Silent Rambo wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

Sov is dead, there will be no rework.

at best it will be replaced with deployable modules that confer some type of Sov, but that's it. I don't blame CCP though for going with the cheapest option for null sec as we're talking about a tiny minority of players who actually have an interest in sov.


The only way to increase the interest in it is to fix it so smaller groups can take systems. I also wouldn't say around 1/5 of the player base to be small. It will be iterated on, but probably not fixed immediately.
Well yeah I agree in general, it's something that needs to be worked on, SOV and POS etc. Also with concerns to FW too (which has improved much), not just nul. I can't see WiS ever being accepted by the majority of players until CCP finishes what they set out to do in regards to fixing this game. Adding lots more stuff just slows down that goal. People think it's somehow a popular idea now just because the majority of players don't bother to discuss it any longer, to object so much... to an old warn out topic really dead and buried for all intents and purposes. But who knows what the future will bring, but now it's the same as the past couple years, getting the mess cleaned up.


It's unbelievable how people think. No problem, I am happy to wait for other games to come out and then CCP will change their mind in regard to WiS. When the cash shrinks cause people drop EVE for some other subscription title, things will change. I can see the future. I doubt that Valkyrie will be cash generating, as only a bunch of people can afford to pay for the FaceBook goggles, so that is going to be another failure in vision and overall strategy. I still do not understand why EVE / Dust integration is not further developed and why Dust is not a module of EVE online on PC. Now I fly a ship, and now I decide to clone jump to a planet to fight, it's that simple. Sorry for the rant but I care abopt EVE and I am upset by seeing people who are too short sighted.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3700 - 2014-04-27 23:49:30 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Crasniya wrote:
Webvan wrote:
I can't see WiS ever being accepted by the majority of players until CCP finishes what they set out to do in regards to fixing this game. Adding lots more stuff just slows down that goal. People think it's somehow a popular idea now just because the majority of players don't bother to discuss it any longer, to object so much... to an old warn out topic really dead and buried for all intents and purposes. But who knows what the future will bring, but now it's the same as the past couple years, getting the mess cleaned up.


The community isn't going to still be around if CCP merely "fixes the game" for the next couple years, while other companies are releasing just downright better games. If CCP doesn't get with the "actually add stuff to EVE" program, it'll die off, and then you'll maybe see DUST and Valkyrie, and maybe this Legion thing we've heard is trademarked, being the future of New Eden, where EVE left off.


How do you know that? Do you have any data that backs up your claims? Also what "better" games are being released that compete with EvE Online?


It seems a very reasonable assumption. People want new content and innovation in general within EVE, not outside (and not FB Oculus).