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"How did you Veterans start?"

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Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-04-17 15:19:09 UTC
i like this idea. i'll see if i can remember to post my own story a little later.

if i don't, someone poke me P

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png

Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#42 - 2014-04-17 15:24:53 UTC
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#43 - 2014-04-19 07:26:08 UTC
Bastion Baruta wrote:
Died once already after I ignored my friend who is helping me learn the ropes, and jumped into some big high level battle where I got cremated.

Now I play a little more cautiously, and am slowly working through the tomes of information attached to this insanely expansive game.

Nuuuuuuuuuuu... live dangerously! If I have learned anything as a veteran in EVE... it's that you learn tons more by putting yourself in "bad" situations and learning how to survive... then building on that.
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-04-19 07:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassandra Aurilien
ShahFluffers wrote:
Bastion Baruta wrote:
Died once already after I ignored my friend who is helping me learn the ropes, and jumped into some big high level battle where I got cremated.

Now I play a little more cautiously, and am slowly working through the tomes of information attached to this insanely expansive game.

Nuuuuuuuuuuu... live dangerously! If I have learned anything as a veteran in EVE... it's that you learn tons more by putting yourself in "bad" situations and learning how to survive... then building on that.


To add on to that... What's death, when you're immortal?

Nothing wrong with avoiding purposeless losses, but take chances when you're young... You don't have much to lose.

Just make sure that you can afford the loss, and you'll be fine. (Before going out on a wild hare, insure your ship to the MAX. It will help offset the loss.)

Edit: And if you want to do something different, that has little or no risk to your assets... Get a rookie ship - upgrade the guns (completely optional) & fit a cheap tank & prop mod. Then choose someplace daring & see how far you can make it. You'll probably learn more about keeping alive in an hour then you would in a week in high sec.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#45 - 2014-04-21 19:38:08 UTC
*pulls up a chair*

Gather around kiddos... I'll tell you a story.

In 2003 I was playing another MMO, this game was called Earth and Beyond. I had been looking for a 'non run around kill crap with sticks level up game' one of my college buddies was playing EnB and was talking about it, so me and two other friends decided to play. We got one one server, and started, my buddy who got us to try the game goes 'oh no! i'm on orion, you need to change servers' so we did. The level system was an XP one but you could level up in trade, exploration, and combat. Anyway, I played it from around oct till they announced that EA was closing it, in march. I was really bumming, because thought the game was not perfect, it was better then evercrack. I was moping around in Guild chat, with one of my real life friends, and the Guild leader mentioned that he was jumping ship to this other game, called eve online (this was march 2004) I go 'EVE? whats that?' so he told me that the makers of eve were doing a special 15 day trial to old EnB members, and it was the first time they were ever doing tirals. So I took a look at eve's website, and three things immediately caught my attention.

1) Single server

2) the skill system (omg no killing crap with sticks?!?! what?!?!)

3) the open professtions (wait you mean if I pick race 1 but I want to fly race 2's stuff I can?!?! what?!?)

So I followed my two other IRL friends here.

Not comes the fun part. In the middle of march I made my first account. I had kinda liked mission running and npcing in ENB, it was a ton of fun, so I figured I would do that. I made my first char, who was Caldari, and started playing. By day 2 I decided that I HATED missions and npcing, it was boring and I was not very good at it. I tried pvp and barley got out in my little kessie. by day 4 I was thoroughly annoyed and wanted to quit. I like the skills system, I liked the open world, but if all I got to do was run around and shoot red crosses... no this sucks i'm done. I was complaining to my ex guild master and he gos 'well... why don't you try mining?' I went "mining? you can mine here? but that's so boring!" he laughe and said "well what do you got to lose? if you don't like it, your account expires in 10 days anyway..." So I sighed, jumped into a bantum tossed on a miner one, and warped to a belt. I found an ok sized veldspar roid and started mining... and fell instantly in love. I spent the rest of my trial learning all about mining and doing a few things with my friends.

My tiral account was almost up, and I wanted the eve CD. So I figured I could convert a cd code and active my account (I could with EnB, why not eve?) I went over to the local best buy and they looked at me like I was an idiot when I asked for an EvE cd. I went tot he virgin megastore in the local mall and found the very last copy they had of the cd. Came home... and nope, had to make a new account. So on April 1st, 2004 DaReaper was born.

That was my start in eve, mining got me hooked for about a year. Then running my own corp got me hooked for a few months, then I became an eve radio DJ and was hooked for a year, then I started talking into making an alliance, that took a year, then running the alliance... and before I knew it, year 10 had come.

The moral to all you noobs, is find something you love about eve and do it. Don't listen to what others say you should do, if mining is fun for you, do that. if being a ceo is, do that, if pvping is, do that. And always, always keep your eyes open for the next thing you may love when your current professtion gets stale. I have done virutually everything in eve, but the thing that makes me the calmest will always be mining. Tanks for reading. and Long Live EvE

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Ruvin
Siberian Squads
#46 - 2014-04-22 16:39:25 UTC
I do stupid stuff quite often , i tend to suicide to posses .... Amazing isn't it , not players or anything to a structure .... I live in wh , was spying on some players in a enemy pos ... After a while got bored decided they wont come out to play so uncloaked launched probes .... While sitting above the pos ... Boom dead ....
another one was , after a sucesfull pos bash which took like 5 8 hours logistics included , i was so damn tired , i wanted to warp to pos loggoff and take a break ASap . 5 hours vigilant in wh made me tired , so right clicking space , selecting pos folder , selecting first control tower i warp .... I landed outside the force field , and was like guuuys , smthing wrong , im outside , they told me insert the password asap again . And i was guuuuuuys im gettin locked , guys in being shoot at . Well i realized already its the wrong pos . Being scrambled etc i didn't last long .

im quite ok at eve , can look at overview and ships and remember the ships and ammo theyre using by colors and do math for optimal distance . I count by instinct already rounds of rockets a tengu shoots before tackling it with a buzzard while it reloads so i wont die alphaed while my fleet warps . And i still die to posses ))

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#47 - 2014-05-07 19:38:51 UTC
I always wanted to be a veteran because I figured veterans would have better answers to the tough questions fcs tend to ask like:

Cearain, why did you just scram the star-gate with your merlin?

Cearain why did you ecm burst to save your merlin when we were trying to mop up?

Cearain why did you start shooting a neutral with positive sec status right by a station? Did you think your merlin would tank the station guns?

And even when I'm not doing pvp I do things that make me ask myself the tough questions.

Why didn't I double check the zeros to make sure I was selling 1000 cap booster for 100 thousand a piece instead of 100 million a piece?

Why did I target paint a friendly ship in my fancy 1 billion isk mission runner?

Why did I immediately click "no" when I noticed concord holding me up because I accidentally took an illegal booster with the rest of my 1 billion isk in cargo?

Why didn't I unstack the dominixes before I just dumped "a few" of them on the market for some fast isk?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Samuel Triptee
Malevelon Roe Industries
#48 - 2014-05-09 21:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Samuel Triptee
I’m not an old player. However, I did pass the half century mark a few months after I started playing EVE. I’ve only played a year, but it’s been eventful.

I spent my first couple months in New Eden doing the usual… mining, missions, Arcs, and trying to figure out how to afford more and bigger ships. I joined a couple of corporations that were small and only active for a week or two… then nothing but crickets…

During June 2013 I received an invite to join a corporation. They claimed to be “newbro” oriented, but they were based in null-sec. You know, that big scary part of EVE where the players can actually reach through your monitor and slap you?

Well, I had nothing to lose. I sold everything and podded myself to their home station. They were true to their word. They were, and still are newbro friendly, and taught me an “f’-ton” about the game, they taught me slang from other countries and I learned about lifestyles from all over the world. I flew in roams with players that were only three days old. It was a riot on comms.

July of last year I was sent out of town for four months on a contract job. The work was good, but being away from family for that long is not something I am built for. This game, and the members of that corporation kept me from simply packing it in, telling the boss to take a flying leap, and getting myself a plane ticket home. To the members of Concordiat Corporation, of the Spaceship Samurai Alliance, now of the HERO Coalition, a huge thank you!

At the beginning of 2014, life threw another curve-ball at me, and I regrettably said farewell to Concordiat and null-sec, and went station trading for a few months. I investigated manufacturing and the industrial side of EVE. It worked out pretty well for someone with little attention to give to the game. It was relaxing and suited my life very well. I needed as little stress as possible in all my parts of my life, including EVE.

I’ve found EVE has something to offer for any given mood you’re in, any time of day. It is engaging, entertaining, fun…. period.

Currently, I am in a faction warfare corporation. And I have again found a great bunch of players. As a whole they are one of the best FW groups around and I am privileged to be able to learn from them and fly with them. High energy PvP has never been my strong suit, but I do enjoy it. For now this is my home in virtual space.

If there was only one thing I could tell new players I would choose to tell them to play EVE as if you are starting a career. “EVE Career” is not just some hype phrase CCP uses to promote the game, it is the way we all end up playing eventually.

Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today?

Rykuss
In Praise of Bacchus
#49 - 2014-05-11 16:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rykuss
Trinity was the expansion and I had tried the game several times on long forgotten characters. I loved the idea of EVE, the space, the expansiveness of it all. So I created this character, turned off what passed for a tutorial at the time, and decided I would forge my own path. I settled on the mining profession because there were awesome guides and .pdfs out there and I liked the idea of providing materials for the player-driven economy. I started the Bantam route and worked my way up to a Hulk, which was no small feat back then (I still have that Hulk). I actually stopped training once I was able to fly it too. After buying it, I could only afford to partially fit it yet still managed to survive three gank attempts. After the third attempt, one jump from Jita (what was I thinking?), I decided maybe it was time to head back to Gallente space. So I moved my ships, one by one, to Raneilles. The last of my belongings I packed into a badger, including a PLEX, and my journey ended in a bright flash in Uedama. Dumbfounded by what just happened, I asked others in chat and learned what I did wrong.

So I would mine in Raneilles, I never said I was smart, for nearly a year. I learned about can flipping mechanics and got my first pvp kill. I also learned a great deal about d-scan, local, and using the contacts feature (Thanks Tuskers o7). I had created several alts by now and one of them lost a retriever, back when they were cheap, and the Tusker responsible had a nice sense of humor about the whole thing. I used to enjoy the back and forth in local, the taunts, gf's, the rage, and other humorous comments. Eventually, I got a better understanding of where I was going and what I wanted to do in EVE and Raneilles was just too small and overpopulated for my goals. So I left Verge Vendor for Essence and settled on a system with lots of belts and low traffic. With jump clones becoming available, due to my standings grinding, my empire would stretch several regions. By this time, I was able to PLEX all of my accounts but I felt like I was missing something, and I was.

So I decided to check out low-sec, having survived several hulkageddons at this point. I checked the star map and dotlan, jumped in, and I didn't die in a flashy explosion. What?! Checked system, yep, this is low-sec. It was empty. Ok, this must be a fluke, because everyone knows that jumping into low-sec is instantaneous death, right? So I pushed on, with my trusty star map, dotlan, local, and d-scan as my guides. I found a system I thought I might like to call home, so I left something there to remind me and went back home. I survived my first trip into low-sec, so I went back again and again. Making safes and TACS along the way. I learned which way was better for entry and avoided the camped systems. Pretty soon, I was mining with all of my alts - in low-sec! Then I put all of that on the back burner.

I passed up invite after invite to join people in NPC Null, because, well, I'm not sure why. I told myself that I didn't like pvp but what I eventually came to realize was that EVE was more like a job. I was so busy trying to earn the next PLEX that I didn't have the time or isk to pvp. It took some time but I eventually took the plunge and went down there, learned a lot about pvp and actually had fun for the first time in years. After about a year of flying with them, on and off, I decided to move all of my assets out of high-sec with the exception of a few ships to move about items to ship down. As it turns out, blowing up ships is fun. Who knew?! Flying small gang, going on roams, and generally being available for fleet mates in need was fun. Although, while out on a roam, we encountered a group on a gate to low-sec. No one was interested in taking the fight if it happened in low-sec, and they refused to bring it to us. So we moved on, which got me to thinking about my interests in low-sec. I've always been fascinated by low-sec and so I revisited my old system. I ended up moving to a better system, in an adjoining region, several jumps away.

I've learned a great deal about the mechanics there already. Pvp in low-sec is definitely different than in NPC null, people play to win here. Cheap fits serve me well in small gang but I've learned that won't cut it for solo. In my experience, I am more likely to encounter 'solo' pvp'ers and get dropped here than in NPC null. Regardless, I give a "gf" in local and have met some really nice people. There are lots of asshats, sure, but they can be found everywhere. My story doesn't end here, it's just where I am at the moment. Will my grand "soloing low-sec" experiment pan out? I'm not sure, but it has definitely been a learning experience. Although, I can't seem to shake that dirty mining habit. I may need professional help with that. The one thing I know for certain, I am terrible at EVE. Fly safe o7.

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.

Drunken Angel
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-05-21 01:46:15 UTC
well here we go,

I joined eve long ago (5 or years I think drunken is like my 14th ? character ) anyways I started eve and trained all my learning skills oh boy oh boy 3 months of training so that i could train my skills at normal speed WINNINGS!! I then started the slow training till my first hulk so i could mine to make money to pvp , I had never mined before this point as I was waiting for the first hulkageddon to end. Anyways I finally got my hulk , undocked mined untill I had 50% cargo full and though wow this is terrible, Sold the toon for a whole 2b ( this was so much money when your a noob) bought a 8M sp AF starter toon specialised in the wolf. Moved into lowsec with a group called Crimson HellHounds became a Pirate and loved it.
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#51 - 2014-05-21 03:13:19 UTC
I'm not that old a player myself.

I started right after Crucible was released. I don't know of a world without Attack Battle Cruisers and PvP was still battlecruisers online.

I had goals to become an industrialist and spent a lot of time mining. I joined a mining corp, realized the CEO was using the money to buy himself fancy L4 ships and wound up through a series of Events moving into low sec with a small PvP corporation. They found themselves with a month old newbie. I wound up salvaging level 5 missions in a Noctis and learning how to survive in low sec.

From there I moved to exploration, booster making, mild industry, and eventually running a regional market. My corp folded into another one and I've lived for the most part in the same region with the occasional deployments to other places. My life is pretty much pure low sec with the occasional null sec visit. I am a space trucker for my market in high sec but I know little of that world.

Somewhere around the start I started blogging and somewhere towards the current day I dove face first into space politics.

Eve's a great game.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#52 - 2014-05-22 15:02:03 UTC
First there was much confusion, non consensual buttsex when first stepping toes into losec, endless and mindless mission running to the point where I was agonizing over rat spawn triggers....(did I seriously DO that?...)

::sadpanda::

Then I did a lot of this.

Followed by a lot of this.

Now my life is that of a hero1n addicted rockstar, and CCP made it all possible!

You can too!

F
Kuj021
Army Of Penguins
#53 - 2014-05-22 21:38:33 UTC
Well in 2009 I clicked on this add and my girlfriend has been pissed off ever since..
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#54 - 2014-05-25 21:01:45 UTC
Kuj021 wrote:
Well in 2009 I clicked on this add and my girlfriend has been pissed off ever since..

EVE Online: The game of lonely, borderline alcoholic bachelors.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services
Singularity Syndicate
#55 - 2014-05-25 21:13:24 UTC
I'll never get to be a bittervet,,,I don't get bitter and I can't cure sick animals...
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-05-28 10:25:43 UTC
I started out, like so many others, with delusions of being a miner and amassing great wealth. However, unlike most others, I knew I was lying to myself. I was okay with that.

Sometimes you've got to start at the bottom to climb up. But knowing where you are helps you to know where to go. I'm blown away by how well I ran my skill training from day one to today. My character has made better use of his time than anyone I've met.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services
Singularity Syndicate
#57 - 2014-05-28 11:01:32 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I started out, like so many others, with delusions of being a miner and amassing great wealth. However, unlike most others, I knew I was lying to myself. I was okay with that.

Sometimes you've got to start at the bottom to climb up. But knowing where you are helps you to know where to go. I'm blown away by how well I ran my skill training from day one to today. My character has made better use of his time than anyone I've met.


Just remembered I've never met you :D
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#58 - 2014-05-28 23:06:49 UTC
For the longest time I was Joe Carebear leveling his raven in highsec until I joined a big ole' highsec corp that ended up being constantly wardeced.

There was a dedicated group of people in that corp who put forth significant effort in fighting those wars as well as organizing and informing members to minimize loss and keep wars short. Eventually we all got sick of our own corpmates undermining our efforts by means of their staggering levels of incompetence and/or unwillingness to act in ways that actually make sense. A total lack of gratitude from some people was also pretty grating.

It's not super awesome to fight a war against some people for two weeks, put out bulletins and corp mails about safety only to have some miner to talk smack to you on teamspeak for not protecting them from war targets while they were mining 20 jumps from their closest corpmates when nobody else was online and it had been explicitly stated that mining will get you killed.

So we decided that the other side was clearly having more fun than we were and split off and formed our own highsec wardec corp. We derived our methods of operation from those previously used by people we had been at war with and picked the tactics and equipment that had been most difficult to contend with. Initially we were limited by the costs involved as well as our low SP characters, but eventually we got better, more wealthy and have more SP.

Now we cause enormous problems for people in highsec for entertainment and financial gain.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-05-29 04:40:30 UTC
I started with a trial account back during the Trinity expansion (or maybe just before it). Didn't like it. I remember I tried the couple starter missions, but I kept thinking the agents from one station were sending me to do jobs for agents at another station, and I just wound up traversing all of high-sec off these level 1 courier missions. I wanted to get into industry and research the heck out of some BPOs, so bought some missile blueprints and failed to start a research job because I didn't quite grasp the idea that everything needed to be in the station where the installation was. So, having failed miserably while confining myself to a solo experience, I let the trial lapse.

But something about the game kept gnawing at me, and I came back in 2008 with a new trial account. This time, I actually bothered to do some research before playing. I made Komi, a Caldari Achura because $%^& Charisma (to this date, I have not respec-ed her and she still has below minimum) and I set off on the exciting career of being an industrial miner! I based out of Halaima and had many friendly players try to introduce me to EVE by deploying jet cans, renaming them "Komi Toran," and then scramming them to trick me into thinking I was under attack. But I knew Eve was a tricksy place, so they were just a source of mild amusement. I met another new player who was also a miner, trained up some basic mining leadership skills, and started my first mining fleet with him. I was thrilled when I could fly a Procurer and rushed out and bought one, not even knowing that, at the time, an Osprey was still a much better mining ship.

However, I wanted to do something different, so I thought I'd be a space trucker. I trained up a Caldari industrial and started accepting courier contracts, which I would complete by auto-piloting across the galaxy. It worked out pretty well. Made my first couple million that way. Soon, I had 10 million ISK! Oh boy, that meant I could afford the 10 million ISK collateral for these contracts that had a 1 mill ISK payout. Money was going to just start flowing to me now. I just had to deliver this package to Miroitem, through this place called Rancer.

I'm fuzzy on the exact details, but somehow I managed to not only figure out that Rancer was gank-central before I auto-piloted through there, but I actually managed to complete the delivery through a back door. As my stats on Battleclinic will attest, this involved the loss of three badgers (I think I used them to scout? I have no idea either), a shuttle, and four pods, but this newbie trucker did make the delivery. Afterwards, I thought "No wonder they wanted someone else to move this; this place is dangerous!" It couldn't have been a scam, you see, because I don't fall for scams.

After that, with the stress of almost losing all my hard-earned ISK in a single contract, I backed off the space trucking, swore off low-sec, and decided to confine myself only to the complete safety of high-sec. Five days later I was podded by a Pandemic Legion Megathron randomly smart bombing by a gate.

WELCOME TO EVE

Returned to mining, but it wasn't long before I wanted the full multiplayer experience. I found a large mining corp based nearby in Sankkassen and struck up a convo. They were nice guys. I joined them. Of course, being a large mining corp so near Jita, they get war decced. They get war decced a lot. That's ok. Their security division is headed by a few chaps that seem to know what they're doing. When we blob up, war targets dock up. Cool. I listen to their advice, take notes, and learn from the mistakes of the other carebears.

My career with the Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate takes me to low sec, then Providence, and eventually Vale of the Silent. Somehow, I become in charge of the corp's industrial assets and the CFO of a 0.0 holding alliance (allbeit a pet of the NC). I even help build an outpost. But, SKMC still remained a carebear corp and the bulk of its members still had a high-sec mentality. The constant struggle to manage conflict between the NC and my corp members was soul crushing. Couple that with RL issues, and in 2010 I check out. I didn't bother to retrieve the billions in cap ship BPOs that I had worked so hard to build up. I don't even think I logged on to fill the skill queue after my training finished.

But, I'm back now, in my third or fourth week. Just needed a three and a half year vacation is all.
Jabalu Habalu
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-05-29 06:31:23 UTC
Swift and Bitter version:

2005: Started playing at the behest of an eccentric friend. Mined in a frigate. Did lots of mining. It paid reasonably well back then. Joined my friend's corp in time to see it consumed by griefers and superior firepower. Deployed IRL and didn't return for a while.

2007: Resubscribed to kill time in the summer with a broken leg. Got hooked once more on mining and industry. Two, three, and four accounts went up. Gathered a heap of BPOs. Became space rich.

2008: Decided to invest said space riches in a pvp char. Account #5 was born, shortly followed by account 6 to scout marks. Began to enjoy the hunt and let me industrial empire lapse a bit.

2009: Joined a nullsec renter corp with my indy team as i was too busy pvp'ing on my latest accounts to handle all the work. Found out just how insufferable most renters are to deal with. Burned out hard trying to keep up with the demands of our overlords and the mewling of discontented farmers.

2010: Decided that i was space-rich enough. Liquidated 4 of my 6 accounts and sold the chars, i'll let you guess which ones, and struck out on a pvp lifestyle wandering space with my dynamic duo. Lost substantial amounts of isk attempting to perfect the art of catching and killing things in high-traffic lowsec pipes.

2011: New job, got married, first child born. Quit.

2012: Resubscribed both accounts, got back to "solo," hunting with my duo. Became jaded with the meta, sold my older pvp char and went back to a single account for the first time in many years. Took up mission running for a bit, but found it lacking.

2013: Ship spinning and forum warrioring for the most part. Bitterness peaked and I sold the last of my chars. I debated with myself as to what I ought to do with my isk. I was now the proud owner of one newly minted character, freshly born and infused with the wealth of nearly a decade of scrooging. I set the character to train up trade skills, something I had never experimented with much, and then basically played the skill training game for a few months.

2014: Picked up trading in earnest and made more isk than I had made in the previous four years or more combined. Got addicted to the wallet blink, made it my business to explore trading to the nth degree. Began work on trader 2 on the same account to work another hub. Which bring me to the present: Mostly trading in Amarr space and shipping heaps of good to Jita for weekend profits with a second major source of business sprouting in my alt's domain, located in minmatar space.

Plans for the future: Polish up my second trader's skills and standings, repeat with a third, and sucessfully juggle three tycoon V characters on the same account.