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Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3601 - 2014-04-09 15:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Crasniya
Rhes wrote:
Tweek Etimua wrote:
Well if your going to compete with SC I think you're going to have to do something. But what ever you do it has to be HUGE.

Unfortunately I doubt the player base will allow it. I refer to the summer of rage.

SC isn't an MMORPG.


Actually, a persistent MMO universe is one of the many promises of SC. (Along with being single player and allowing private servers as well. Never said their promises were realistic.)

Flamespar wrote:
Who are the pro WiS candidates?


A very large number of them, actually, sixteen candidates according to the vote match want WiS if it has "meaningful gameplay". That's a full ballot right there.

http://match.eve-csm.com/

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3602 - 2014-04-09 16:24:54 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Tarpedo wrote:
I've seen people commenting on unusually high amount of female candidates for this CSM. It seems CCP is going to test certain content on them. WiS maybe? I cannot imagine any other content within EVE which could be taken by male and female players differently.

Well that's sexist.


for once I agree with you. The CSM should reflect the nature of the playerbase.

I personally believe though that support for WIS is widespread and demand will increase as time moves on.

It's inevitable that one day WIS will become part of the eve universe Rhes.

The way things are going though it might involve an occulus rift.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3603 - 2014-04-09 17:35:51 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
It's inevitable that one day WIS will become part of the eve universe Rhes.

It's already there. Dock up and enjoy walking around (very slowly) in the station!

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#3604 - 2014-04-09 18:58:08 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Who are the pro WiS candidates?

I'd say zero - because none of them reflected it in their "shortlists". It seems they've used WiS only as a keyword(s).
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3605 - 2014-04-09 19:16:54 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Who are the pro WiS candidates?

I'd say zero - because none of them reflected it in their "shortlists". It seems they've used WiS only as a keyword(s).


Bear in mind, shortlisting WiS in many respects is a way to ensure you don't get elected. So a votematch support for it's development, with a comment about it, is probably pretty high praise, comparatively.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#3606 - 2014-04-09 19:23:28 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Tweek Etimua wrote:
Well if your going to compete with SC I think you're going to have to do something. But what ever you do it has to be HUGE.

Unfortunately I doubt the player base will allow it. I refer to the summer of rage.

SC isn't an MMORPG.


In SC people play space pilots and they have the option to play on one universe, be merchants, pirates who gank them and so on.

The first part is RPG, the latter is MMO, together I'd say it's MMORPG enough. Unless you don't consider "MMO" pirates ganking merchants, in which case EvE is not a MMO either.

It'll probably be a sort of SWTOR "single player friendly but you still play in a MMO" gameplay.

You need to look up what MMO stands for. Especially the first letter.


SC has currently 407k or so backers, which is as close to "subs" as it gets.

You'd say: "well, that's not a lot"!

Then I remind you how EvE, after 10+ years, is about at the same numbers.

Then I remind you how MMOs like Istaria / WAR online have 4-5k subs yet they are / were called MMOs.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3607 - 2014-04-09 19:32:38 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Tweek Etimua wrote:
Well if your going to compete with SC I think you're going to have to do something. But what ever you do it has to be HUGE.

Unfortunately I doubt the player base will allow it. I refer to the summer of rage.

SC isn't an MMORPG.


In SC people play space pilots and they have the option to play on one universe, be merchants, pirates who gank them and so on.

The first part is RPG, the latter is MMO, together I'd say it's MMORPG enough. Unless you don't consider "MMO" pirates ganking merchants, in which case EvE is not a MMO either.

It'll probably be a sort of SWTOR "single player friendly but you still play in a MMO" gameplay.

You need to look up what MMO stands for. Especially the first letter.


SC has currently 407k or so backers, which is as close to "subs" as it gets.

You'd say: "well, that's not a lot"!

Then I remind you how EvE, after 10+ years, is about at the same numbers.

Then I remind you how MMOs like Istaria / WAR online have 4-5k subs yet they are / were called MMOs.



Bernie Maddoff also made a lot of promises and had a lot of backers/investors too. But you know what Bernie and SC really have in common?




Neither one has yet to produce a game I can actually play.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#3608 - 2014-04-09 21:11:11 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


Bernie Maddoff also made a lot of promises and had a lot of backers/investors too. But you know what Bernie and SC really have in common?


Neither one has yet to produce a game I can actually play.




Yeah a 40M project has certainly to be delivered *well polished* by 1 year, like all the MMOs ever produced!

Oh wait, they always take 2-3 years at a minimum and come PAX they should showcase the dogfight module.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#3609 - 2014-04-09 21:15:00 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


Bernie Maddoff also made a lot of promises and had a lot of backers/investors too. But you know what Bernie and SC really have in common?


Neither one has yet to produce a game I can actually play.




Yeah a 40M project has certainly to be delivered *well polished* by 1 year, like all the MMOs ever produced!

Oh wait, they always take 2-3 years at a minimum and come PAX they should showcase the dogfight module.



yep mid 2015 alpha of game world at best ...but stuff do look nasty good in SC development HUD is gonna be killer imo.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3610 - 2014-04-09 21:15:25 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


Bernie Maddoff also made a lot of promises and had a lot of backers/investors too. But you know what Bernie and SC really have in common?


Neither one has yet to produce a game I can actually play.




Yeah a 40M project has certainly to be delivered *well polished* by 1 year, like all the MMOs ever produced!

Oh wait, they always take 2-3 years at a minimum and come PAX they should showcase the dogfight module.



Thanks for making my point!



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3611 - 2014-04-09 21:52:08 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
It's inevitable that one day WIS will become part of the eve universe Rhes.

It's already there. Dock up and enjoy walking around (very slowly) in the station!


That's why I'd like to see it completed, it's no different to wanting to see sov revised as it's already in the game.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#3612 - 2014-04-10 13:55:40 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


Bernie Maddoff also made a lot of promises and had a lot of backers/investors too. But you know what Bernie and SC really have in common?


Neither one has yet to produce a game I can actually play.




Yeah a 40M project has certainly to be delivered *well polished* by 1 year, like all the MMOs ever produced!

Oh wait, they always take 2-3 years at a minimum and come PAX they should showcase the dogfight module.



Thanks for making my point!





Your point mentioned Bernie Madoff, which is a bit different than taking 2-3 years to code a game.

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Zheng He-Da
Industria Traho Incorporated
#3613 - 2014-04-10 14:49:38 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Anslo wrote:
So does this mean you're unlocking our doors this winter and ungrounding us?


Shocked How in himmelsname did you get to that?


Well the door needs unlocked to go get the EVA suit?....I just want non-spaceshippy sci fi gameplay sprinkled with the spaceship gameplay. This isn't supposed to be space ship only. Eve set out to be the world's largest and greatest SCIENCE FICTION SIMULATOR, not just a spaceship simulator.

Except ships have a speed limit, and handle like space has viscosity of motor oil
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3614 - 2014-04-10 15:16:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


Bernie Maddoff also made a lot of promises and had a lot of backers/investors too. But you know what Bernie and SC really have in common?


Neither one has yet to produce a game I can actually play.




Yeah a 40M project has certainly to be delivered *well polished* by 1 year, like all the MMOs ever produced!

Oh wait, they always take 2-3 years at a minimum and come PAX they should showcase the dogfight module.



Thanks for making my point!





Your point mentioned Bernie Madoff, which is a bit different than taking 2-3 years to code a game.


You are correct, Bernie's name was mentioned, but that was not the point. Selective reading comprehension for the win! I bolded the relevant bits for you. (I know... reading is HARD).



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Catherine Wolfisheim
Perkone
Caldari State
#3615 - 2014-04-10 16:21:15 UTC
Okay, this thread is quite huge... And confusing... So, can someone tell me simply... What happened to the whole nice ideas that were said at the introduction of Team Avatar?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#3616 - 2014-04-10 16:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
They have stayed in prototype phase. Now probably not relevant to a whole bunch of SC backers or EVE "spaceships are the future" persons.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3617 - 2014-04-10 17:11:28 UTC
Catherine Wolfisheim wrote:
Okay, this thread is quite huge... And confusing... So, can someone tell me simply... What happened to the whole nice ideas that were said at the introduction of Team Avatar?


CCP did a prototype, and then decided not to develop it, and disbanded Team Avatar.

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3618 - 2014-04-10 18:46:21 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
It's inevitable that one day WIS will become part of the eve universe Rhes.

It's already there. Dock up and enjoy walking around (very slowly) in the station!


That's why I'd like to see it completed, it's no different to wanting to see sov revised as it's already in the game.

The sov system is actually broken. Unless your characters' legs no longer propel you around your captain's quarters WiS is working.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#3619 - 2014-04-10 20:57:18 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


Bernie Maddoff also made a lot of promises and had a lot of backers/investors too. But you know what Bernie and SC really have in common?


Neither one has yet to produce a game I can actually play.




Yeah a 40M project has certainly to be delivered *well polished* by 1 year, like all the MMOs ever produced!

Oh wait, they always take 2-3 years at a minimum and come PAX they should showcase the dogfight module.



Thanks for making my point!





Your point mentioned Bernie Madoff, which is a bit different than taking 2-3 years to code a game.


You are correct, Bernie's name was mentioned, but that was not the point. Selective reading comprehension for the win! I bolded the relevant bits for you. (I know... reading is HARD).





I selectively read, when people selectively hint.

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Tarpedo
Incursionista
#3620 - 2014-04-14 16:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarpedo
World of Darkness is dead officially. Like -10% of CCP's total workforce are fired and I guess that will release approximately half of CCP's R&D budget.

Perhaps we have a chance to see actual EVE expansion couple years later - maybe even WiS expansion (some of WoD devs will continue to work for CCP)