Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't get me wrong - Vigilant is rarer than the Thorax, has a better layout, is a specialty ship, and is harder to produce. So it is going to have a higher price tag. But I'd rather use or lose a Thorax for PVP relative to the cost. Basically, more bang for the buck. The buyer of a Thorax will probably be happier with his use of ISK than a Vigilant pilot.

Right now a Vigilant Hull is 230 mil. It can fit Neutrons and has a nice webbing bonus which probably frees up a midslot (it doesn't need double webs to hold down something in brawling range). It also has an extra lowslot. The Thorax has the same resists but is missing a midslot and can't fit neutrons easily. However it is around 9 mil. With Ions it does really good damage and with tracking bonuses it can apply it well. You can plop two webs on a Thorax to have webbing powers that approach the Vigilant's. Maybe the Vigilant does well with that falloff bonus but when you're in brawling range it's not going to make that much of a difference.



You reminded me of some basic economics. I'd think that the demand for the Cynabal isn't that bad right now but obviously Vagas etc., are competing with it right now which is why this rebalance is a prime-time to make some changes to make it stand out at all. Others might argue that it is the iconic pirate faction ship and shouldn't be messed with.

As for the Vigilant, it has plenty of competition in the brawler category and I doubt that demand is keeping up with supply. I'd imagine that there is an overstock of Vigilants. But wouldn't the price eventually go up if that overstock got sold out and the demand dropped? Maybe it's easier to acquire these things than I think. Even with your notes on the overall price of the Vigilant, it is still a specialty item and demands much more money than the other cruisers that it competes with.

5 mb needed on Gila. That or give some light drone bonuses to cover the missing drone.

The gila change hurts me deeply, it works for the worm but it doesn't scale and leaves it bad against anything but heaviely webbed frigs and costs it all of its range.

I use a phantasm because of the dual high, I like that it actually has all its slots now but the highs are what I lived by in it.

About phantasm

can you add some Scan Resolution on this ship because is really too low.

You have a nice tracking some interesting speed in ab. But the scan resolution are ******* joke if you try to look some small ship like dictor fregate destro etc.

Also with you layout, it's about impossible again to fit some beam ( perhaps the good idea will be to remove these guns from the game because it's almost impossible to use them "fitting problem" ).

So, with CCP Rises track record of, doing things his way.

I'd be curious as to what role you see this as able to fit.


With all 5's, Hams and Furies, you have under 200 DPS with no BCU and around 220 with 1 BCU (it is supposed to be a drone boat, so should be able to fit drone upgrades, yes?)

2 Valkyrie II, that even with the new MWD bonus will not be able to catch and engage much more than a webbed AB cruiser. 600m/sec orbit speed negates them engaging anything faster than they can keep orbit on.
Forget Hammerheads unless your target is stationary. Infiltrators and Vespa's might be ok as long as you have all day for them to apply damage through what are usually the highest tanked for resists.

Sorry but; 500% bonus to Drone Damage is totally useless if they are unable to apply that damage. Orbit speed and activation proximity will see your drones not applying damage more than they do applying it.

If "Activation Proximity" is accurate; once your drone reaches "Activation Proximity" (2000m from target) it then drops from warp speed to orbit speed and engages. If the targeted ship moves to 2001m your drones will cease firing and enter warp speed to again reach Activation Proximity.

Was gimping the Gila so it is unable to field a flight of ECM drones deliberate, or just an oversight?

I currently use my Gile to run 6/10 DD sites and the odd frigate kill but don't see this as possible after the changes. So yet another ship along with RLML Caracal totally removed from PVE and only a very niche role in PVP.

Oh and should I sell my Rattlesnake now?

Should we expect a blaster + heavy drone bonus for the rattle? Besides can someone explain to me what's the point in all this?

Since ahacs got buffed i have no clue why nerfing the cynabal. -280 PG? are you serious? Better sell it and stockpile on vagabonds.

Vigil makes no sense to me. I haven't seen a vigilant for months now. They must be sooo op people don't use them to honor l33t pvp.

Gila.......i have no clue why the fu........thank god for those 2 medium drones. Hope to jesus you don't encounter a frigate cause not havin' the capability of taking a full flight of lights is simply mental.

Ash - pretty cool. However wonder if you tough that having a ship with neuts + web range bonus + bs ehp isn't a bit unbalanced. But hey gg.


One last thing. I have been a dog owner for 15 out of my 24 years of existence and i can sense the smell of bullshit a mile away.

All this drone nerfing, with emphasis on the number of drones you can deploy, seems a very cheap way of taking some load of the server so that in a few months you will happily present to us those nice and tidy graphics on how much improvement the server got. Don't fix the game...you will go far.

If this is what you bring us, I'm extremely disappointed. How do you still justify having a position as a game developer if you suck at developing?

These changes are off-the-cuff, cookie-cuttered so horribly that you are literally deforming multiple ships out of their actual potential roles into ships that will never see use except by the uneducated and mentally challenged.



Confirming that people are as stupid as we thought if they still think the Cyna is OP and needs such a ridiculously over-nerf.

Seriously Rise, what the **** is that TWENTY FIVE PERCENT grid nerf?! "Master of projectiles" ships just got turned into most-worthless-ship-of-the-patch.
Crunching its grid so that things like dual-prop-tanked-arty-medneut (which dont exist) dont fit could be acceptable, but considering they arent real, well, **** you know, your changes are pretty much "looks OP, nerf it into the dirt so hard its inhaling soil."

Please point clearly on the doll where the naughty Cyna touched you when you slept.
While you're at it, show us where the Vigilant told you to touch it, because apparently you hate that ship too.


:NOTE: Ash, Phant, Gila look fine. Vigilant is practically as bad off as Cyna, but not nearly as terrible.

Maybe adjust gila (and rattler) in this way:

- boost missile bonus
- nerf drone bonus
- give it possibility to fit drone links unit

All that balanced in a good way.

More versatility

that was exactly what i was thinking, except a small drone assist gang. friends?

oh come on now, you don't get to say that until after it hits. have some faith