Wormholes

Well, technically one could argue the same thing about delayed local really. I mean no matter how hard you try, unless somebody decides to show himself, he can stay hidden.

So WHs are already actively hiding information from you, and it's considered a great thing that shakes up W-Space and makes it interesting...

Suddenly Fozzie is thinking about hiding more, and everybody is afraid because they are so used to the current state. I'm not saying that it's a great idea, but I don't think it's so bad either.

^This.

I have lived in highsec, nul, and WH space. All areas of the game always have risk involved, even highsec. There is no risk-free space.

The time-based delay should be based on system security of the space the K162 opens into, with the fastest delay for highsec and slowest delay for WH and nulsec. Additionally, gate jumps in k-space could also use a security-based delay. Why just have the delay affect wormholes? I think this can improve the game for all.

For example, wormholes do not have residents/visitors show in local chat until they talk in local. This makes it quite dangerous if you do not utilize d-scan and watch for new signatures. In contrast, k-space (highsec, lowsec, nulsec) shows new residents/visitors in local chat immediately.

A better implementation of OP may be a system-security-based delay to both of these across all of New Eden: new signatures in scanner window and visitors shown in local chat. Ofc, wormholes will still not show players in local chat unless they chat in local.

Well yeah, ofc.

Spend any amount of time consistently in w-space and you find yourself wanting to shoot neutrals whenever you visit highsec.
< must resist > lol.

Where/when can we see the results

Or have the opportunity to reship and greet the would-be gankers in a ship and a fleet they can organize a fight against rather than just get ganked.

Let's face it this is nothing more than a "promoting of ganking" proposed mechanic. Plain and simple and if that's how you get your rocks off then go gank in high sec and suffer the sec loss penalty.

Even better, looking at your post again, you remove local from Null, see how that goes and then when they put the fires out in Jita realise that they aren't going to want that anymore than we want this.

TL;DR Wormholes were never broken they got broken by CCP dumbing the game down for empire and forgetting we were still there and the same changes couldn't apply. Now it's a backpedal race to try and fix it but by people who spend all their game time in Null.

Silly sausages all of them.

FWIW, I can't support the initial proposal.

What I can support 100% is removing the Discovery/Overlay Scanner.

Agreed, while even us would have great fun ganking people all over the place with Fozzies desired changes here but in 6 months time those downtrodden folk that have been ganked every few days even though they have been active and vigilant at their keyboards will just leave for a simpler life and we will go back to two a year ago when WH's were a desolate place.

I think a lot of people me included have noticed how active and full Wh space has been the last 6 months to a year and i don't want us to take a step backwards.

If the goal is to increase the sense of danger, a delay in K162 sig appearing is not the way to do it.

I think the main goal you're trying to do is to prevent farming of sites. People that don't want to fight, won't. Anything you do with a K162 timer is not going to change that. All you're doing is listening to a bunch of gankers that want kills on unsuspecting site runners.

If you want danger, how about randomizing w-space. It has been deconstructed so much that there is no sense of mystery. Remove the system names, randomly link different types of wormholes, mix up "statics", dynamic sleeper sites, random system effects, deployables that provide false intel, etc.

Please focus on the big picture!

Not on some arbitrary time delay, so Two Step can drop 30 T3s on a couple drakes in a C2 and crap up local with "gf".

Ohhh... That hurts my head.

You want to try living in WH's without a consistent income source, third party tools like reliable WH mapping software, and destroying the strategic choices on choosing a WH based on Class, WH effect, and what static it has? While making sure every PvE group has to be able to deal with the maximum potential (dynamic) spawn of any site?

Home a pulsar one day? NOT ANYMORE, it's a Wolf-Rayet now! Good luck using your shield ships!

Nice c1 WH... Shame all the currently spawned anomalies are c4 ones you can't run.

Honestly. There are bad ideas, like the OP. But this one... this is priceless in a truly special sort of way. If I were looking fro a way to make WH space vacant in a hurry, I don't think I could have proposed better.

I'm going to drop off this thread now, there's no point continuing on until CCP Fozzie starts talking. This thread is too long and we're at the point where people are just rehashing things they've said previously to people who aren't reading all 30 pages. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just the feeling I'm getting from the last like dozen pages...

Before I do though, here's my collected thoughts.

CCP Fozzie, decloak and engage or jump back to HS

K162's spawn in the destination system when warp is INITIALISED to the WH from the original system
The discovery scanner, when used like Dscan, gives instant intel on new signals.
Under the current system, if you roll your static before you start doing sleeper sites and use the discovery scanner as above, you are immune to EVERYONE trying to attack you as you can react and leave before they even jump the wormhole. Capitals and login traps excluded.
THIS is why people are advocating for a delay.
A SHORT delay, 60 to 120 SECONDS would fix this.
Anymore than 5 MINUTES (Even that's pushing it) would be way too excessive and I am against that.

Or this could be fixed correctly
0% signals should not show up automatically in the discovery scanner for W-Space
Only display once scanned by a probe, like the old working system.
WH's should only spawn when someone lands on grid with it.

Ore Sites should be back to scannable.
WH polarisation should be based of a ship stat rather than a default static value for everyone, I suggest Sensor Strength to give an additional use for bigger ships and ECCM modules.