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As much as I benefit from the space junk recycling program, just remember that minerals from loot directly compete with a profession entirely based on producing minerals.

I'll resort to a WoW anecdote here: in Gnomeregan (the 'homeland" of the Gnomes, which has now been overrun by the Dark Iron Dwarves thanks to betrayal by the power-mad Gnomish leader Mekatorque) you can pick up "dirty objects". At a certain location within Gnomeregan you can put these "dirty items" into a washing machine, insert some coins, and out comes a cleaned object which will be a random item with random enchantments (sometimes a useless "grey" object, sometimes vendor trash, sometimes a green ring with decent stats).

I wonder if there's a similar possibility for salvaging: replace all the T1 loot with "metal scraps" which can then be "reprocessed" to produce random junk ranging from a few lumps of minerals through to high-end T1 salvage materials. Thus you can "restore" the value of the salvaging profession, remove the "mining with guns" aspect of NPC-shooting, and have a valuable specialist market for "salvage laundering".

As it stands, the most valuable missions in terms of contract salvaging are the ones that leave behind tags, the ones with a lot of loot such as Mordus Headhunters and Gone Berserk, and the ones that have lots of battleship wrecks to salvage (from a faction which tends to leave good salvage) such as Serpentis or Blood Raiders.

The immediate effect of the planned change to reprocessing is that contract salvagers like Pro Synergy are going to lose income simply because the loot that is collected will be worth less than it used to be. Until the market values estimates adjust, the missioners contracting tag-heavy salvage fields will be losing income to missioners contracting loot-heavy salvage fields (this is because Pro Synergy uses the market value estimate to calculate shares of the final haul value, rather than recording every single item collected for a particular mission-runner). So Pro Synergy will be in for a rough few weeks until the estimates adjust.

Thankfully CCP Soundwave is gone, so we won't face the spectre of salvage being purchasable with LP from the FW LP stores. At least that part of a salvager's income is relatively stable and secure.

i doubt there is a (serious) mineral compression conflict for meta 1-4 loot

You still need a rorqual to provide mining bonuses. Not doing so is costing you hilarious amounts of isk/hr.

This.

Our wormhole corps got their start by doing heavy asteroid mining in lower-end wormholes. It made us a lot of ISK to bootstrap us into bigger and better things. We don't do it as much as we used to, but we still do some mining.

Several of our pilots spent months of time training up to fly rorquals and compress ore in order to help with our mining operations, and now that all of that time has basically been invalidated. The mining boosts from the rorqual are only worth the fuel cost if you have a large mining fleet going so you can compress at the same time. For smaller mining fleets, a skilled booster with the (now much less expensive) mining foreman implant sitting in an Orca can boost just as effectively as a rorqual can, without burning fuel. With the previous change to ore sites, if we have the numbers to securely run a large mining operation, it's easier and more profitable for us just to go raid a nearby class 4 and do the sleeper sites and gas sites with combat ships and ventures instead. Now we won't even need the rorqual for compression, since we can just online an array at the POS and accomplish the same thing - with no skills needed.

What's going to be done to compensate people who skilled into rorquals and ore compression?

For that matter, what's going to be done to make the rorqual worth having again? It's an impressive ship, and it seems wrong to make it completely obsolete in this way. Something needs to be done to make the rorqual worth using.

If you want to give Rorquals a new role that gets them out of the POS, that's fine. But they need to be buffed considerably to make it worth the risk, since they can't defend themselves at all. A Rorqual in open space is a gigantic target, whether you're in a wormhole, lowsec, or nullsec. In their current state, we would never deploy one outside of a POS at all. Even if there was a reason to, we wouldn't do it without a support fleet to keep them alive and give them a chance to escape if we get jumped - they're just too expensive to risk without a fleet backing them.

why wouldn't you shut your holes down first

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have you ever seen a rorqual spider tank in EFT? they're beasts, and with their drone bonus they're not defenseless.

So you are going to quit EVE because CCP are going to reward miners who live in riskier places with 20% more reward?

you do know that you will be earning the same as you do right now in highsec right? The only nerf happening is to junk loot which most people wont notice and is resulting in a slight buff for miners like you.

So you are going to quit for CCP giving you a little buff and finally rewarding you for taking risks outside of highsec?

Refine Rates

20% not even close the refine value before and after, the after value with perfect refine is 28% of what it was previously. That's an 72% nerf for high-sec mining.

Where are people getting this "20%" this "risk vs reward" is not even a factor in this large of a nerf. Look at the actual numbers.

my momma always told me there will be industrialists who can do it faster and cheaper than me. so I decided not to be an industrialist.

Wow. Forget the devblog, you didn't even read the link you used to try to prove your point.

Look at the batch size.

I see many nice improvements, such as compression process and reprocessing UI. But also I see some bad things:

- You are boosting mining while nerfing reprocess output from modules and ships (It's very famous CCP's way of solving problems: we should not fix something, we should break, so other broken stuff would not look like broken).
- You nerfing minmatar outpost, so it won't be so juicy as now. Have a question: how will you boost other features of minmatar outpost instead? Or, how will you nerf (make it similar to other) other outposts to make a balance?