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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3541 - 2014-03-07 03:33:14 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how the destructible ship skins sell compared to the permanent clothing items.


Also, ship skins are much closer to the "SPACESHIPS ONLY" people, and the "everything should be destructible" people. Maybe WiS was just too far outside the box for some people. ;)

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3542 - 2014-03-09 12:23:21 UTC
The key to success for WIS in a game like eve is to have everything that is related to WIS as destructible and damaging. That means allowing combat in stations, hanger thefts and all sorts of nefarious WIS gameplay.

If you cant hurt them in space, hurt them in the station. Make it so that you are not even guaranteed perfect safety when docked. That would shake things up very nicely in Jita and in those invulnerable stations out in null.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

DSpite Culhach
#3543 - 2014-03-10 02:27:25 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
The key to success for WIS in a game like eve is to have everything that is related to WIS as destructible and damaging. That means allowing combat in stations, hanger thefts and all sorts of nefarious WIS gameplay.

If you cant hurt them in space, hurt them in the station. Make it so that you are not even guaranteed perfect safety when docked. That would shake things up very nicely in Jita and in those invulnerable stations out in null.


As much as I like the idea, you can't just have a system where a player can just walk up to a "hanger" and break in. You can't simply extend the ability to destroy and steal stuff to everything in this game, as it is not "real life" and players can not be online in the game to defend against this type of PvP, This is exactly the reason POS'es have reinforce timers. If you were "living the game" this would make sense, but online a few hours a day? I don't think so.

What will happen is that you will take all the space PvP away as people can now just steal stuff directly from a hanger, and will start making maxed out "thieves", to which the only counter will be to transfer really large bank accounts and hangers to "storage" accounts, and then let them go to "unsubscribed" mode, as you can always just plex one month if you need to access the assets in a dire emergency.

And if anyone here response is "then we make items steal-able from offline accounts" then those people need their heads examined.

We already have "thieves", they infiltrate a corp, gain trust, get assigned privileges, and then take everything and run. It's quite enough already.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

Flamespar
WarRavens
#3544 - 2014-03-11 05:20:59 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
The key to success for WIS in a game like eve is to have everything that is related to WIS as destructible and damaging. That means allowing combat in stations, hanger thefts and all sorts of nefarious WIS gameplay.

If you cant hurt them in space, hurt them in the station. Make it so that you are not even guaranteed perfect safety when docked. That would shake things up very nicely in Jita and in those invulnerable stations out in null.


As much as I like the idea, you can't just have a system where a player can just walk up to a "hanger" and break in. You can't simply extend the ability to destroy and steal stuff to everything in this game, as it is not "real life" and players can not be online in the game to defend against this type of PvP, This is exactly the reason POS'es have reinforce timers. If you were "living the game" this would make sense, but online a few hours a day? I don't think so.

What will happen is that you will take all the space PvP away as people can now just steal stuff directly from a hanger, and will start making maxed out "thieves", to which the only counter will be to transfer really large bank accounts and hangers to "storage" accounts, and then let them go to "unsubscribed" mode, as you can always just plex one month if you need to access the assets in a dire emergency.

And if anyone here response is "then we make items steal-able from offline accounts" then those people need their heads examined.

We already have "thieves", they infiltrate a corp, gain trust, get assigned privileges, and then take everything and run. It's quite enough already.


One of the core principles of EVE is to allow players to pick their level of risk. There should be levels of risk in WiS.

I don't know how this would look, but it should range from being almost completely safe (say in a bar or in your personal CQ for example), to high risk (in a derelict).
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3545 - 2014-03-11 08:43:24 UTC
I'm still fairly new and I'm not sure WIS really has its place in ≡V≡, but I think one application that would be really interesting is adding a station administrator/operator role, and even extend POSes to include slowly moving battle platforms.

The operator would be restricted by her physical movement (skills can help her improve her multitasking, agility, and competence) and she would be responsible for providing defensive support to undocking ships, navigate the battle platform, lay mines, and then defend the station if necessary. She may also be responsible for repairs by climbing outside in a spacesuit or directing droids, performing deep scanning (think about a science station), or remote observation (like having spy stations).

Boarding rules for station/POS takeover could be implemented. In a complex version of "Paratrooper" the operator may be expected to fend off invading clones and lock down her corp's property.

I think this would help improve the sort of boring and clunky (POS offlining and shields) mechanics that POSes and Customs Offices have.

What are your opinions of these ideas?

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3546 - 2014-03-11 20:18:38 UTC
It'd be nice if all these random items we got with Christmas gifts, the Collector's Edition, EVE Source, etc. showed in our Captain's Quarters. Given how much money some of these collector's items filter into CCP's hands, it'd be a nice gesture.

My EVE Source book should appear on my bookshelf at the station I'm storing it.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#3547 - 2014-03-12 18:00:53 UTC
Crasniya wrote:
It'd be nice if all these random items we got with Christmas gifts, the Collector's Edition, EVE Source, etc. showed in our Captain's Quarters. Given how much money some of these collector's items filter into CCP's hands, it'd be a nice gesture.

My EVE Source book should appear on my bookshelf at the station I'm storing it.


I want a meat-locker for my corpse collection to show up in.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3548 - 2014-03-14 21:29:31 UTC
It'd be a nice way to start the personalization for Captain's Quarters, and reward people with collector's and specialty items.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

Flamespar
WarRavens
#3549 - 2014-03-19 01:48:37 UTC
Maybe CCP will announce something at fanfest
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#3550 - 2014-03-19 10:04:51 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Crasniya wrote:
It'd be nice if all these random items we got with Christmas gifts, the Collector's Edition, EVE Source, etc. showed in our Captain's Quarters. Given how much money some of these collector's items filter into CCP's hands, it'd be a nice gesture.

My EVE Source book should appear on my bookshelf at the station I'm storing it.


I want a meat-locker for my corpse collection to show up in.

or a fishtank
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#3551 - 2014-03-19 10:13:13 UTC
Post your CQ images personalized in GIMP or Photoshop. Share your ideas with others. It's all what we can do now.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3552 - 2014-03-20 01:35:14 UTC
At this point I think the player desire for more meaningful avatar gameplay has been exhaustively demonstrated. This thread has been active for well over a year now.

It's really up to CCP to acknowledge that this interest exists, and to do something meaningful about it.
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3553 - 2014-03-20 20:34:20 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Maybe CCP will announce something at fanfest


I'm not expecting much in this department, sadly. Other than the sleeves like the tattoos and cybernetic arms, we've seen nothing from them, and my understanding is those were things finished long ago, but just not released until the Collector's Edition.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3554 - 2014-03-27 17:19:42 UTC
Thread fell too far back on GD. Issue has been fixed.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#3555 - 2014-03-27 18:17:26 UTC
Crasniya wrote:
Thread fell too far back on GD. Issue has been fixed.



Until CCP says "STATION WALKING!!!" We aren't getting Wi$.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Jian Mira
Edgar Industries
#3556 - 2014-03-27 20:49:43 UTC
I really think we need some new clothes for the Avatar's not much of a selection...

any thoughts?
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#3557 - 2014-03-27 20:53:04 UTC
Jian Mira wrote:
I really think we need some new clothes for the Avatar's not much of a selection...

any thoughts?


I know they were trying to go with this "unique New Eden style", but realistically, a lot of people would pay good money for some more conventional designs. A good straight-up tuxedo, for example. They can still be space materials, but some of the styles CCP went with are just wacky.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

Lipbite
Express Hauler
#3558 - 2014-03-27 20:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Flamespar wrote:
Maybe CCP will announce something at fanfest

Doesn't matter. Fanfest announcements take like 5-∞ years to appear unless it's something simple - like gate jumping animation or couple new ships.
Ana Criid
Criid Ventures
#3559 - 2014-03-27 21:45:58 UTC
Crasniya wrote:
Jian Mira wrote:
I really think we need some new clothes for the Avatar's not much of a selection...

any thoughts?


I know they were trying to go with this "unique New Eden style", but realistically, a lot of people would pay good money for some more conventional designs. A good straight-up tuxedo, for example. They can still be space materials, but some of the styles CCP went with are just wacky.



You think current EvE style is wacky? Does no one remember what the old avatars looked liked?... there is nothing 'wacky' about 99.9% of our current wardrobe.
It's just vaguely futuristic jackets, boots and friggin t-shirts.
Current eve clothes are way too conventional already as it is... We need some proper spacey designs. >:P
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3560 - 2014-03-27 23:23:30 UTC
I'd like to see some more racial clothing options.