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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#541 - 2014-03-16 01:33:18 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mandarine wrote:
Because playing games is meant to have fun together, instead of at one another´s expense


If that were true, all goames would be Cooperative games. Co-op games are where you are meant to have fun together, competative games always end with one person having fun "at another's expense".

When i play poker I'm not playing for your enjoyment, I'm playing for your money.


I guess it's good for all of us that we're not playing poker, we're playing EvE.



Tell that to the dumb sh*t who lost 2600.00 to goons last week. I'd call that a Royal Flush wouldn't you?


That wasn't poker though, that was EvE. and I'd call it a guy putting 2600 into a space ship and having it blown up.

You know, what it is. . . . .
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#542 - 2014-03-16 01:35:15 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mandarine wrote:
Because playing games is meant to be fun [s]together, instead of at one another´s expense[s]
FTFY

It's a competitive game, someone has to lose in order for someone to win.


Incorrect, there is no clearly stated win lose objectives. The people decide what is winning and what is losing for themselves individually.

Show me where CCP has stated that to win EvE, you have to perform an action that requires someone else to lose.
Which part of competitive do you not understand? When you compete against someone else there is always a loser.


Show me where CCP has stated that to win EvE, you have to perform an action that requires someone else to lose.

Prove it.
Marsha Mallow
#543 - 2014-03-16 01:37:41 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

Show me where CCP has stated that to win EvE, you have to perform an action that requires someone else to lose.

Prove it.

Nobody listens to CCP, we just make stuff up ourselves.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#544 - 2014-03-16 01:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

Show me where CCP has stated that to win EvE, you have to perform an action that requires someone else to lose.

Prove it.

Nobody listens to CCP, we just make stuff up ourselves.


Precisely

Thanks for proving my point.

Even though there's no CCP to ignore on the issue because they've never stated what is a definitive win or loss.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#545 - 2014-03-16 01:40:57 UTC
When you ragequit EVE in the future, you can claim you won EVE, I don't care.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#546 - 2014-03-16 01:41:57 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I wasn't in Goonswarm at the time.
You might actually be rather interested to go look at what I had to say when it happened.

I know, I'm just messing with you. You could at least pretend to be outraged though Straight

As a result of that incident I not only got the opportunity to demonstrate my outrage, but also my incredible ability to move on with my life.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#547 - 2014-03-16 01:44:43 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Which part of competitive do you not understand? When you compete against someone else there is always a loser.


Show me where CCP has stated that to win EvE, you have to perform an action that requires someone else to lose.

Prove it.
Do you understand the concept of being the victor in a competitive environment? Without a loser there is no winner.

How about you prove that it is possible to win in a competitive environment, without there being a loser too.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#548 - 2014-03-16 01:45:56 UTC
Trophies for participation, that's how.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#549 - 2014-03-16 01:47:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
^^ heh that's a relatively new phenomenon, and tbh it's bloody stupid.

I think society will come to regret that particular little foible, when I was a kid, if you wanted a trophy you damn well went out and beat everybody else for it .

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#550 - 2014-03-16 01:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Jonah Eastytoprovewrongstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Which part of competitive do you not understand? When you compete against someone else there is always a loser.


Show me where CCP has stated that to win EvE, you have to perform an action that requires someone else to lose.

Prove it.
Do you understand the concept of being the victor in a competitive environment? Without a loser there is no winner.

How about you prove that it is possible to win in a competitive environment, without there being a loser too.


You seem to be focusing only one one of many aspects within eve. You're neglecting to consider the multiple ways people can decide to want to play EvE.

There is nothing on their website or in the EULA that states the objective of EVE is to compete with other people and every one joining HAS to do so.

In fact, the words compete or competition never show up in the EULA. Not once. Not twice. Zero times.

Please stop being ignorant.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#551 - 2014-03-16 01:50:13 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Which part of competitive do you not understand? When you compete against someone else there is always a loser.


Show me where CCP has stated that to win EvE, you have to perform an action that requires someone else to lose.

Prove it.
Do you understand the concept of being the victor in a competitive environment? Without a loser there is no winner.

How about you prove that it is possible to win in a competitive environment, without there being a loser too.


You seem to be focusing only one one of many aspects within eve. You're neglecting to consider the multiple ways people can decide to want to play EvE.

There is nothing on their website or in the EULA that states the objective of EVE is to compete with other people and every one joining HAS to do so.

In fact, the words compete or competition never show up in the EULA. Not once. Not twice. Zero times.

Please stop being ignorant.
Please stop being a pedantic troll. It doesn't state anywhere in lifes terms and conditions that you'll be competing with other people for jobs, success, your home, your spouse, decent school places for your kids etc, but you are.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#552 - 2014-03-16 01:51:32 UTC
Hmm.. trophies for participation... that gives me an idea.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#553 - 2014-03-16 01:52:30 UTC
How could EVE ever be a cooperative game anyway without competition?
Cooperation against what? Sansha's Nation? Sure...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#554 - 2014-03-16 01:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Erotica 1 wrote:
Hmm.. trophies for participation... that gives me an idea.
Heh you're behind the times, getting a trophy for participating in a competition is now the norm, especially for kids, because it might hurt their feelings not to get one.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#555 - 2014-03-16 01:54:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
How could EVE ever be a cooperative game anyway without competition?
Cooperation against what? Sansha's Nation? Sure...


So you answered your own question. It's nice to see you understand.

+1
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#556 - 2014-03-16 01:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Divine Entervention wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
How could EVE ever be a cooperative game anyway without competition?
Cooperation against what? Sansha's Nation? Sure...


So you answered your own question. It's nice to see you understand.

+1
I don't think he means what you think he means

Even cooperating against Sanshas Nation in an incursion involves competition, such as who can gain the most LP, who can clear sites fastest etc.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#557 - 2014-03-16 02:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mandarine wrote:
Because playing games is meant to have fun together, instead of at one another´s expense


If that were true, all goames would be Cooperative games. Co-op games are where you are meant to have fun together, competative games always end with one person having fun "at another's expense".

When i play poker I'm not playing for your enjoyment, I'm playing for your money.


Believe it or not, in all games devoid of super serious stakes like money or world ranking in something important like chess, there is a tacit agreement between all sane players sharing basic common sense, to play nice and making sure everybody has fun. It´s very much emotionally cooperative, even if it´s tabletop warfare.

Now, there are always some players with issues, who revel in being disruptive and who envision all games as you and Jonah do, that is, zero-sum equations in which fun is always had at your opponent´s expense, Those people, in RL games, are not reinvited, because it´s boring, tedious and irritating to play with them.

In a game such as EvE, there is no way not to play with them or collectively choose to remove them from the game. That is why all the guys who enjoy spaceships, mmos and being disruptive, flock to New Eden.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#558 - 2014-03-16 02:01:55 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Which part of competitive do you not understand? When you compete against someone else there is always a loser.


Show me where CCP has stated that to win EvE, you have to perform an action that requires someone else to lose.

Prove it.
Do you understand the concept of being the victor in a competitive environment? Without a loser there is no winner.

How about you prove that it is possible to win in a competitive environment, without there being a loser too.


You seem to be focusing only one one of many aspects within eve. You're neglecting to consider the multiple ways people can decide to want to play EvE.

There is nothing on their website or in the EULA that states the objective of EVE is to compete with other people and every one joining HAS to do so.

In fact, the words compete or competition never show up in the EULA. Not once. Not twice. Zero times.

Please stop being ignorant.
Please stop being a pedantic troll. It doesn't state anywhere in lifes terms and conditions that you'll be competing with other people for jobs, success, your home, your spouse, decent school places for your kids etc, but you are.


OK so you wish to compare the fact that life doesn't have a terms of service that explicitly states you'll be competing. Cool, as you know I enjoy bringing in real life comparisons, so this one is on you for wanting to initiate it.

Considering that according to you, life and eve are similar in not stating it is mandatory to compete, then we also have to assume that instead of competing we can exist cooperatively.

If it's not clearly stated that one has to compete or cooperate, then we get to choose.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#559 - 2014-03-16 02:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
How could EVE ever be a cooperative game anyway without competition?
Cooperation against what? Sansha's Nation? Sure...


So you answered your own question. It's nice to see you understand.

+1
I don't think he means what you think he means

Even cooperating against Sanshas Nation in an incursion involves competition, such as who can gain the most LP, who can clear sites fastest etc.


It doesn't matter what his intention of saying it is, to insult me, by answering his own question he proves that it's possible that everyone cooperate with each other to accomplish objectives other than competition via blowing each others ships up.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#560 - 2014-03-16 02:04:57 UTC
Let's keep the discussion to in game, lest we go off topic again talking about cheating spouses.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.