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Why are some people "afraid" of EvE?

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#141 - 2014-02-27 19:11:49 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Because you're essentially asking your friends to be peasants for a year. If they join now, nothing they can do will get them in that battleship.

The bare minimum amount of time it would take for me to get into a Widow is 106 days. And that's to be able to sit in it and not effectively use it. To train up the required skills to pilot it effectively would take another 200 days. Granted you could fly it without all the other necessary skills, but it would be a huge liability considering your inefficient fittings and related skills.

Why would you ask your friends to waste a year?


What makes you think they would be TRYING or even ASKED to train straight for a blops?

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#142 - 2014-02-27 19:21:59 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Because you're essentially asking your friends to be peasants for a year. If they join now, nothing they can do will get them in that battleship.

The bare minimum amount of time it would take for me to get into a Widow is 106 days. And that's to be able to sit in it and not effectively use it. To train up the required skills to pilot it effectively would take another 200 days. Granted you could fly it without all the other necessary skills, but it would be a huge liability considering your inefficient fittings and related skills.

Why would you ask your friends to waste a year?


What makes you think they would be TRYING or even ASKED to train straight for a blops?


I can tell you haven't read the thread. I'll allow you the opportunity to catch up.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2014-02-27 19:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Divine Entervention wrote:
I can tell you haven't read the thread.
Then again, neither have you. So answer his question *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#144 - 2014-02-27 19:49:44 UTC
Why are some people afraid of eve?

Just read this thread.
Rashnu Gorbani
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2014-02-27 19:59:40 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Because you're essentially asking your friends to be peasants for a year. If they join now, nothing they can do will get them in that battleship.




Not true at all.

A couple of PLEX worth of ISK and a visit to the character bazaar will have you in a battleship in a few days if that's what you really desire.


Yea I guess that's true. As of right now the initial entrance fee into EVE is like what? $10? $15? There are still alot of games out there that costs $45, $50, $60, even $70. Paying in between those prices for the most developed character along the path they wish to pursue would not be a bad investment.


Buying a main character is a really stupid investment. It's like paying to win the game without playing it. It's not a game any more then is it?
And who the hell likes to fly battleships anyway? I sure don't. I don't understand the Widow fixation.

When I started out there was so much to learn about the game I didn't _really_ mind having to skill (and that meant some learning skills too). Now it's really easy and fast to get into anything with frigs and cruisers buffed so much.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#146 - 2014-02-27 20:11:56 UTC
Rashnu Gorbani wrote:
And who the hell likes to fly battleships anyway? I sure don't...
Well I sure DO.... Don't care what you think, you can fly what YOU like...
Quaggan Stomp
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2014-02-27 20:12:44 UTC
Hanz Riemannder wrote:
And that is how it has been for EVERYONE else in this game who has been playing longer than you. Everyone else had to go through the same stuff you have to go through right now.

Isn't that a fair approach? We all have to go through the same crap to get to the goodies.

Would you like a cash shop? Where you can buy SP for real money?
Would that be fair?



Hi guy

Pls don't get hostile about it, especially with me, since I am the one sticking around where others have left. OP asked why people are "afraid" of the game so I listed the reasons. This game is the most unique and awesome of its kind, but overwhelming on many fronts and aspects.

As for fair, I don't think a loss of a few hardcore old timers over feeling "unfair" would be of any consequence if the game could gain a larger playerbase. I may be new to Eve Online, but I am not new to MMOs, been playing them since 1998 so I have seen and experienced plenty of successes and colapses in my time. If a loss of a few most hardcore obsessed vets means the game gets better and larger and more people enjoy it and have fun, then why not ? CCP is a business and needs to make money, more enjoyable game = more players = more money
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#148 - 2014-02-27 20:13:01 UTC
Rashnu Gorbani wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Because you're essentially asking your friends to be peasants for a year. If they join now, nothing they can do will get them in that battleship.




Not true at all.

A couple of PLEX worth of ISK and a visit to the character bazaar will have you in a battleship in a few days if that's what you really desire.


Yea I guess that's true. As of right now the initial entrance fee into EVE is like what? $10? $15? There are still alot of games out there that costs $45, $50, $60, even $70. Paying in between those prices for the most developed character along the path they wish to pursue would not be a bad investment.


Buying a main character is a really stupid investment. It's like paying to win the game without playing it. It's not a game any more then is it?
And who the hell likes to fly battleships anyway? I sure don't. I don't understand the Widow fixation.

When I started out there was so much to learn about the game I didn't _really_ mind having to skill (and that meant some learning skills too). Now it's really easy and fast to get into anything with frigs and cruisers buffed so much.


Someone suggested it to me as an option, I was simply agreeing that yes it is an option.
Quaggan Stomp
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2014-02-27 20:17:26 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Quaggan Stomp wrote:

6. Too much external crap necessary to play the game. encyclopedias, API keys, apps like EFT. All this stuff needs to get canned. Everyone should be spending their time playing the game not looking stuff up on encyclopedias about it for the most part. It should all be self explanatory from within.



First off, I would like to say thanks for making a post in this thread on this topic explaining an issue you've directly encountered with potential new players to the EVE Online universe.

I agree with the majority of your post.

Not to pick on you, but I'd like to use what I quoted, your #6 to express my own opinion on that subject.

That's actually one of the aspects of this game I like. It's alot to learn. I enjoy learning. It gives me another interesting thing to think about. All of the different possibilities, the potential, it's all captivating.

But then back to the rest of your post, it's very disheartening that upon realization after many hours of ecstatic research and theory crafting, that it will probably take months to start seeing real, impressive results.


Hi

In this regard I am actually more with you then it sounds :) I do enjoy the vastness of it, though I wish it was better implimented from within the game rather then external sources, and this vastness unfortunately is too much for some people.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#150 - 2014-02-27 20:19:15 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Rashnu Gorbani wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Because you're essentially asking your friends to be peasants for a year. If they join now, nothing they can do will get them in that battleship.




Not true at all.

A couple of PLEX worth of ISK and a visit to the character bazaar will have you in a battleship in a few days if that's what you really desire.


Yea I guess that's true. As of right now the initial entrance fee into EVE is like what? $10? $15? There are still alot of games out there that costs $45, $50, $60, even $70. Paying in between those prices for the most developed character along the path they wish to pursue would not be a bad investment.


Buying a main character is a really stupid investment. It's like paying to win the game without playing it. It's not a game any more then is it?
And who the hell likes to fly battleships anyway? I sure don't. I don't understand the Widow fixation.

When I started out there was so much to learn about the game I didn't _really_ mind having to skill (and that meant some learning skills too). Now it's really easy and fast to get into anything with frigs and cruisers buffed so much.


Someone suggested it to me as an option, I was simply agreeing that yes it is an option.
A pisspoor option, a character with 100M SP in the hands of a newb will be useless, because the newb has no clue whatsoever about how to use it to its best potential, primarily because they haven't learnt anything about the game and went the pay to win route, only to discover that in Eve pay to win is actually pay to lose.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#151 - 2014-02-27 20:23:30 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


A pisspoor option, a character with 100M SP in the hands of a newb will be useless, because the newb has no clue whatsoever about how to use it to its best potential, primarily because they haven't learnt anything about the game and went the pay to win route, only to discover that in Eve pay to win is actually pay to lose.


Personally I agree with you. I'm not planning on buying a high SP character. I'm going to grow this one.

Others may feel differently and choose to get a high SP character regardless of what any of us think, and they're allowed to do it if they wish.
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#152 - 2014-02-27 20:29:41 UTC
Rashnu Gorbani wrote:
And who the hell likes to fly battleships anyway?


I guess all those battleships I see flying around are piloted by NPCs
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#153 - 2014-02-27 20:40:53 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


Yea well, too bad for you because it's not my intention to quit.

#dealwithit


lol ... and I would care if you live or die because????
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#154 - 2014-02-27 20:45:47 UTC
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Rashnu Gorbani wrote:
And who the hell likes to fly battleships anyway?


I guess all those battleships I see flying around are piloted by NPCs


or carebears...which might as well be NPCs.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#155 - 2014-02-27 20:47:18 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Yea well, too bad for you because it's not my intention to quit.

#dealwithit


lol ... and I would care if you live or die because????


Well at least we're on the same page regarding each other.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#156 - 2014-02-27 20:59:48 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Rashnu Gorbani wrote:
And who the hell likes to fly battleships anyway?


I guess all those battleships I see flying around are piloted by NPCs


or carebears...which might as well be NPCs.



Explain to me what a carebear "should" fly ?????

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#157 - 2014-02-27 21:13:10 UTC
They just shouldn't be carebears.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#158 - 2014-02-27 21:19:20 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
They just shouldn't be carebears.


If you play eve you are a carebear.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#159 - 2014-02-27 21:20:19 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Yea well, too bad for you because it's not my intention to quit.

#dealwithit


lol ... and I would care if you live or die because????


Well at least we're on the same page regarding each other.


Roll
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2014-02-27 21:34:55 UTC
EVE only "takes too long" for new players who are afraid to lose. Lose the apprehension of being destroyed in your cheap frigate fit and it won't be long before you're having way too much fun.

i honestly wish the game wasn't this much fun.

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.