EVE General Discussion

No, it isn't.

This thread is about the chances of new entities springing up that actually have a fighting chance of holding sov.

Nothing at all to do with missions.



It's only because "blue donut" sounds better and is an older term. It also lends an air of sickening completion to the entire thing.

Of course, let's edit out the portion about how I believe that CCP will wreck high sec, regardless of what is posted in this thread. CCP has already presented the changes to the CSM for the summer release.

And when I rail against a change, it is usually in the F&I section, when CCP is still debating the change, and asking for input (not that it really matters with most of the dev's).

This thread, is just another propaganda campaign to run in parallel with what is already coming down the pipe.

The truth isn't propaganda. The truth is that EVE is interconnected and an imbalance in one place affects others. In this case, High sec being too good and safe for isk making contributes to null sec being good only for 'gudfights', renting and blobbing. if there were lots of 'little guys' ninja ratting in null because it was worth it , the null alliances you hate would have stability problems and security concerns.

But you're all to short sighted to see that.

You and your ilk can see that when the imbalance is something from outside high sec, but when it comes from inside high sec you turn into the super high sec conservative party and turn a blind eye to something that hurts you people as much as it hurts the rest of the game.

I've never seen anyone credible say they want to force anyone to go to nullsec.

Part of the biggest problem seems to be people not willing to do what it takes. We've already seen two examples of people not willing to play politics or participate in diplomacy in the zone specifically designed for it. This could be minimized too if you give people a reason to want nullsec space, like economic incentives, that you could get by nerfing highsec.

Sure the leader takes a hit to their own pride and submits to someone more powerful or agrees to take a deal that doesn't leave them with the better part of the bargain but, it gets them into nullsec and to a starting point. Everyone has to start out somewhere and you won't get to be a power player right from the start.

I see this mindset in highsec a lot though where after awoxing someone they outright refuse to negotiate with me which gets more of them killed. Instead of reasoning with me or bargaining when I say 250,000,000.00 isk and I'll drop corp or give me a medal they decide to spew profanity at me. For more examples look at any interaction between highsec miners and CODE., there are very reasonable and economically sound bargains being made yet probably <~1% of the miners will actually take the good deal and instead will resist which further hurts their own position.

I'm not really sure what causes this but, perhaps the NPE needs to be adjusted, maybe during the NPE the newbie needs to be give something of value, be allowed to have something of value to fly and have a scripted engagement where they get cornered by a more powerful force which requires them to negotiate giving up some of that value to have their valuable ship survive. If they act stubborn they get the chance to fight it out which it would result in the destruction of that ship but, if they try to give up some of the value they were given that ship gets to live and the npcs that cornered them join them further on in the tutorial.

I think it would help get people to consider the idea that negotiation might be a good thing instead of something to be avoided at all cost because reasons.

Then have we not strayed off the topic?

I don't think the established nullsec alliances having more of their characters moved to nullsec has to do with much.

People would have incentive to go to nullsec if they're willing to trade risk for reward, which is as it should be. That's not the same as forcing them to go.

As for the nullsec alts being able to go home, that's what many seem to want. If other players want to join the party because risk and reward have been fixed, that'd be awesome, too.

You keep talking about the economic incentives of living in null.

You do not, however, talk about the economic incentives of trying to stake a claim to your own sov. I don't see any incentive to do that.

Anything I would gain from that, I could gain just as easily and with less effort by joining an established group that has thousands of players set blue to myself.

And this is what the OP was really talking about. "Do you have a chance?"

The answer is no - but not because it's impossible to rally forth with thousands of players - but because it's pointless.

Again - all those people who could have started a new group could just join an existing group and get all the same crap with much less effort.

The only thing that would prompt the creation of a new group would be fun - not economics.

making space worth living in and fighting over including ratting and industry is part of the solution of incentivising nullsec alliances to live in and fight over the space


but some people repeatedly deny the problem, misrepresent the argument and make attacks at the intentions of the people talking about the problems facing npc/sov null vOv

Psychopath!