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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#241 - 2014-02-14 14:32:59 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yeah, I don't think many people are going to defend the current nullsec mechanics point for point, just pointing out that a small number of enormous and highly influential coalitions is par for the course in nullsec history.

Totally agree. Powerblocs and coalitions come and go. Nothing to worry about. :P

I would agree. TBH I think the best thing any of us could do would be to clear out of BLUESEC entirely. The quicker CFC get bored, the quicker they will start fighting internaly and fracture from within.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#242 - 2014-02-14 14:33:31 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:

Small guys stay small guys because they don't feel like sucking up to some Alliance's middle management, they don't have the resources to compete, or perhaps they don't have the time to dedicate to Eve's rediculous Sov mechanics and bureaucratic alliance nonsense. I sure don't. Nullsec simply isn't suitable for how we want to play, and lowsec is losing it's charm rapidly. Hisec (wardecs) and wormhole space (unrestricted PVP) are simply better, more enjoyable alternatives then living in the shadow of a colossus.


Right there we have the answer folks, people that refuse to engage in diplomacy and politics can't get anywhere in a multiplayer game.


Except it isn't even success.

Let's say hypothetically he did what you asked, and "engaged in diplomacy."

OK - now he's part of some giant blue entity that barely PvP's against eachother.

Was that even the goal?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#243 - 2014-02-14 14:34:24 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Right there we have the answer folks, people that refuse to engage in diplomacy and politics can't get anywhere in a multiplayer game.

E: They literally don't feel like doing what it takes to succeed.


Even more so, they have specific areas with specialized mechanics that cater to their desire for "sov-lite", so complaining about sov null is doubly asinine.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#244 - 2014-02-14 14:39:20 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yeah, I don't think many people are going to defend the current nullsec mechanics point for point, just pointing out that a small number of enormous and highly influential coalitions is par for the course in nullsec history.

Totally agree. Powerblocs and coalitions come and go. Nothing to worry about. :P


+1 as well.

As it is in game it is in real life. People always perceive things as getting worse (and that this "worse" thing is somehow new) when the truth tends to be that it's always in some kind of way been bad (it may even be better today than it was at different points in the past).

Don't have it at my fingertips right now but I have a bookmark on my work computer to a study that link these false perceptions to getting older. In other words the closer a person gets to death the more they think the world is going to pot even when it's not lol.

We see it all the time on these forums. "ganking is worse than ever", "people are more uncivil in the game now than when I started", "X group is too powerful and will eventually conquer all of nullsec" "EVE is dying and X new game will kill it" etc etc.

It's just EVE players turning into old codgers lol. We'll all be sitting in a nursing home one day saying EVE is gonna die any day now. I for one plan to have 'Grr Goons' put on my gravestone.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2014-02-14 14:42:45 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:

Small guys stay small guys because they don't feel like sucking up to some Alliance's middle management, they don't have the resources to compete, or perhaps they don't have the time to dedicate to Eve's rediculous Sov mechanics and bureaucratic alliance nonsense. I sure don't. Nullsec simply isn't suitable for how we want to play, and lowsec is losing it's charm rapidly. Hisec (wardecs) and wormhole space (unrestricted PVP) are simply better, more enjoyable alternatives then living in the shadow of a colossus.


Right there we have the answer folks, people that refuse to engage in diplomacy and politics can't get anywhere in a multiplayer game.


Except it isn't even success.

Let's say hypothetically he did what you asked, and "engaged in diplomacy."

OK - now he's part of some giant blue entity that barely PvP's against eachother.

Was that even the goal?


I think you have the same disease infinity ziona has.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#246 - 2014-02-14 14:44:07 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Right there we have the answer folks, people that refuse to engage in diplomacy and politics can't get anywhere in a multiplayer game.

E: They literally don't feel like doing what it takes to succeed.


Even more so, they have specific areas with specialized mechanics that cater to their desire for "sov-lite", so complaining about sov null is doubly asinine.


Complaining is all they can do really. Putting together enough like minded people in a video game to go and unblue null sec is too hard, so to the forums they go to 'fight the power' (with the power of WORDS!).

For some reason they remind me of this Southpark episode.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#247 - 2014-02-14 14:44:36 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
I think you have the same disease infinity ziona has.


My disease is not liking a blue nullsec.

If more people had this disease, EVE would be a better game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#248 - 2014-02-14 14:44:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yeah, I don't think many people are going to defend the current nullsec mechanics point for point, just pointing out that a small number of enormous and highly influential coalitions is par for the course in nullsec history.

Totally agree. Powerblocs and coalitions come and go. Nothing to worry about. :P


+1 as well.

As it is in game it is in real life. People always perceive things as getting worse (and that this "worse" thing is somehow new) when the truth tends to be that it's always in some kind of way been bad (it may even be better today than it was at different points in the past).

Don't have it at my fingertips right now but I have a bookmark on my work computer to a study that link these false perceptions to getting older. In other words the closer a person gets to death the more they think the world is going to pot even when it's not lol.

We see it all the time on these forums. "ganking is worse than ever", "people are more uncivil in the game now than when I started", "X group is too powerful and will eventually conquer all of nullsec" "EVE is dying and X new game will kill it" etc etc.

It's just EVE players turning into old codgers lol. We'll all be sitting in a nursing home one day saying EVE is gonna die any day now. I for one plan to have 'Grr Goons' put on my gravestone.


I for one, am happy to confirm that nullsec under BoB was much, much worse than this. You want to talk about stagnant? Don't even get me started.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#249 - 2014-02-14 14:47:07 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

I would agree. TBH I think the best thing any of us could do would be to clear out of BLUESEC entirely. The quicker CFC get bored, the quicker they will start fighting internaly and fracture from within.


We would turn on high and low sec while CCP would be forced to fix sov null.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2014-02-14 14:49:22 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think you have the same disease infinity ziona has.


My disease is not liking a blue nullsec.

If more people had this disease, EVE would be a better game.


This is proof you have the same disease, don't worry scientists are working on a cure as we speak.

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#251 - 2014-02-14 14:51:32 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
That isn't CCP's fault - the poor sov mechanics are.


Straight

What?

Considering CCP designed the sov mechanics, it's safe to say that CCP is responsible.

Also, power projection is just as much to blame as sov mechanics.


Do you have reading comprehension issues?
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#252 - 2014-02-14 14:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
La Nariz wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think you have the same disease infinity ziona has.


My disease is not liking a blue nullsec.

If more people had this disease, EVE would be a better game.


This is proof you have the same disease, don't worry scientists are working on a cure as we speak.


So you prefer blue nullsec to an area with active PvP?

Have you ever heard of a game named FarmVille? You might like it. Sounds right up your alley.

Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya after a round of diplomacy. Roll
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#253 - 2014-02-14 14:54:36 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think you have the same disease infinity ziona has.


My disease is not liking a blue nullsec.

If more people had this disease, EVE would be a better game.


This is proof you have the same disease, don't worry scientists are working on a cure as we speak.


So you prefer blue nullsec to an area with active PvP?

Have you ever heard of a game named FarmVille? You might like it. Sounds right up your alley.


One thing is for sure, Pinky Hops is an absolute ball of joy and happiness.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#254 - 2014-02-14 14:58:16 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think you have the same disease infinity ziona has.


My disease is not liking a blue nullsec.

If more people had this disease, EVE would be a better game.


This is proof you have the same disease, don't worry scientists are working on a cure as we speak.


So you prefer blue nullsec to an area with active PvP?

Have you ever heard of a game named FarmVille? You might like it. Sounds right up your alley.

Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya after a round of diplomacy. Roll


I would prefer to speak with someone who acknowledges facts, data, and doesn't let their prejudices prevent them from honestly discussing something. Those scientists need to hurry.

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#255 - 2014-02-14 15:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
La Nariz wrote:
stuff


I'll take that as a yes, then.

Judging by your perspective you think the following:

1) Nullsec is not blue enough. It needs to be more blue - with less PvP
2) People should engage in more diplomacy. Instead of fighting, they should forge agreements.
3) Nobody should be allowed into nullsec unless they agree with both 1) and 2)

Do I understand you correctly?

I think we can all be thankful CCP ignores you.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#256 - 2014-02-14 15:12:43 UTC
Oh look... It's going to be another of those threads.

Grrr Blues
Grrr Diplomacy

Nerf something to make the game better!!! Roll

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#257 - 2014-02-14 15:13:58 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Oh look... It's going to be another of those threads.

Grrr Blues
Grrr Diplomacy

Nerf something to make the game better!!! Roll


Grr Kimmi

Nerf Chans!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#258 - 2014-02-14 15:34:16 UTC
Pinky, if you feel so strongly about it yourself...

then grow a pair, and go shoot them.

Otherwise you're just tossing off.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2014-02-14 15:37:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
i'm weak and i'm proud of it

fixed it for you

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#260 - 2014-02-14 15:39:02 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
i'm weak and i'm proud of it

fixed it for you


Hmm? Details, you're not making sense.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.