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Null sec what chance does the little guy have

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Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#21 - 2014-02-12 13:40:28 UTC
Our newbees are little guys and they lead fleets and stuff so do ok.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-02-12 13:42:16 UTC
Maybe someone will conquer all of nullsec one day, and maybe some game will directly "kill" eve on another, but in both cases right now all signs point to the same old rehashed bullshit as the last five years.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

raider womb
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#23 - 2014-02-12 13:46:19 UTC
Can someone link info on the new systems? It's the first time I hear about that and I would love to know more.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-02-12 13:47:05 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?


Absolutely no chance whatsoever.

Wait till all these new players we keep hearing about realise this.



I live in npc null and love it.
I run sites and roam in sov null.
Don't really see the need to pay sov bills when the people we shoot at pay them for us.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#25 - 2014-02-12 13:48:30 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Maybe someone will conquer all of nullsec one day, and maybe some game will directly "kill" eve on another, but in both cases right now all signs point to the same old rehashed bullshit as the last five years.


lol yea. When my alliance was allied with TEST I remember ratting in an empty system and reading these forums on another screen (about how safe and blue null is) when some CFC guys came in via a wormhole.

TEST and Goons were still blue back then but CFC and HBC was another matter. I got scrammed and the exact wrong moment by an npc frig (this was before MJDs of course) and three CFC Cynabals landed on me and kill my Machariel (I had one of them in hull, another few seconds and he would rode the train to space-hell with me lol).

I actually linked the thread I was reading in local as I got my pod out and told them "this can't be happening at all, don't you know about the Blue Mother ******* donut?????" We all had a good laugh at that, them more than me because I was going to have to replace a freaking Mach .......
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#26 - 2014-02-12 13:48:40 UTC
coalitions will will stop out who ever goes out there since in order to claim a system you would need far more numbers to claim it by force where we end up with another R5. other than that for real null and not npc space you will have to rent like the rest of the "little guys" so to speak and generally siding on one side or the other. Id recommend NPC space if you are a heavy pvp group, as when i ran through NPC space many people from empire come out and test their ships and if it doesnt work they dock in the npc stations until you get bored.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

flakeys
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-02-12 13:55:39 UTC
Agondray wrote:
coalitions will will stop out who ever goes out there since in order to claim a system you would need far more numbers to claim it by force where we end up with another R5. other than that for real null and not npc space you will have to rent like the rest of the "little guys" so to speak and generally siding on one side or the other. Id recommend NPC space if you are a heavy pvp group, as when i ran through NPC space many people from empire come out and test their ships and if it doesnt work they dock in the npc stations until you get bored.


If you want fun and adventure npc null is the place to be , if you want to go to null just to carebear your ass off then yes you will need to rent or join one of the big boys.


I'm guessing most people bitching about the blue donut just want to go out and carebear their ass's off though ..

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#28 - 2014-02-12 15:32:06 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
it looks like you have 3 choices at the moment join cfc/rus join N3 or buy a wizards hat and join provi block.



anyone, at any time, can set up shop in npc space. Go, fight, get respect, make friends. Get bigger fights, drop bait towers, and either stay in npc null and build up, or get invited to join an alliance, or even offer to fight for someone in exchange for your own space at the end.

If you want to take stations without blueing anyone, that means a lot of building up to be be able to take such a fight. Most people don't have that kind of patience.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Ronny Hugo
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2014-02-12 15:37:24 UTC
I want to see how long the blue doughnut will last, if it it ever successfully made.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#30 - 2014-02-12 15:51:57 UTC
Sarah Nalelmir wrote:
Its sad that CFC are allowed to own so much of Null.


That would be accurate if it read: It's sad that the vast majority of players refuse to gang together and stop CFC owning so much of null.

Sarah Nalelmir wrote:
There should be a limit on what can be cvlaimed by a particular corp/alliance.


There is a limit - it's how much the rest of the Eve population allows them to own.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-02-12 15:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
Tippia wrote:
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?
Oh, roughly same chance as always.

It never was a “small alliance”/independent kind of arena.


If you go back far enough, say 6 or 7 years ago, "small" groups of 50 - 100 actually did hold and keep sov.

Nullsec was better in those days.

The state of nullsec in it's current form should be considered an embarrassment.
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-02-12 16:02:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#33 - 2014-02-12 16:08:28 UTC
The deep dark secret of nullsec, while the alliance propagandists intentionally push "Grrrr highsec", is that the large numbers of nullsec blocs are only made possible by offering more profitable carebearing.

The blobs are a "service". The mechanics enable them to have their own version of Concord, and the bulk of their membership is no different than a highsec miner. I've seen untanked industrials and PVe fits in goon space.

The mechanics for nullsec is basically Concord, everything but the actual Concord ships and pilots. So of course there is going to be blobs and very cheap and fast means of moving them around too.


The whole point of renting is to make ISK off normally empty systems. Hence the "kill everything that moves" motive. You see, if you trespass, they might be a few hundred million short of their rent. That's a neat "system" they got there. High rent that MUST be earned, like having a job, in order to stay out there. If they don't rent out there, they won't be able to call themselves leet nullsec players. So into the hamster wheel of stupidity and ePeenery the neckbeards go...



But the fix is already in.

CCP is providing tools for guerilla warfare and subterfuge. SOV can become a bigger headache for those whose self-esteem depends on having it. The problem is that everybody who *could* take this up, thinks that in order to deal with nullsec, they have to be just like nullsec, and therefore, they think of failure.

"I have to have blobs to fight the blob! waaah!". "I can't make as much ISK as I could doing XYZ it's all about ISK ISK and more ISK!!!!"

Duh. If you are chasing numbers, go play Monopoly. One of the great things about Eve is that it's enough of a sandbox to really stick it to all those aspergian min-maxers worrying about ISK or their killboard stats. The tears from a failed gate camper rival that of a miner who didn't tank his industrial.

So the thing to be doing is to head out there and have a good time rather than complaining about it on the forums. The tools are there. If you can't beat them at their own game, then play the game your own way.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-02-12 16:16:01 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
CCP is providing tools for guerilla warfare and subterfuge


Sort of.

Siphons are a good start, and their effectiveness is demonstrated by the agreements that are being put in place by various groups.

It's not enough, though. We need better and more diverse sets of tools to disrupt larger entities economically.

We also need more ways to effectively counter blobbing. Basically all we have now is bombers and smartbombs.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#35 - 2014-02-12 16:20:46 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?
Oh, roughly same chance as always.

It never was a “small alliance”/independent kind of arena.


If you go back far enough, say 6 or 7 years ago, "small" groups of 50 - 100 actually did hold and keep sov.

Nullsec was better in those days.

The state of nullsec in it's current form should be considered an embarrassment.


Rose colored glasses type thinking. The groups that did that back then were no more than Vassals of larger groups (basically the renters of the day) or inhabited space so useless (before Dominion's system upgrade scheme, people forget the useless desert 90% of null sec systems with less than 5 belts were before that) that no one wanted to shoot 500 POSes to move them.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#36 - 2014-02-12 16:24:38 UTC
Ask that same question to the rest of the world.

There is no reason to artificially create a world where somehow smaller beats bigger. Sometimes it happens by chance and cunning, but it's up to you.

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite

Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-02-12 16:33:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?
Oh, roughly same chance as always.

It never was a “small alliance”/independent kind of arena.


If you go back far enough, say 6 or 7 years ago, "small" groups of 50 - 100 actually did hold and keep sov.

Nullsec was better in those days.

The state of nullsec in it's current form should be considered an embarrassment.


Rose colored glasses type thinking. The groups that did that back then were no more than Vassals of larger groups (basically the renters of the day) or inhabited space so useless (before Dominion's system upgrade scheme, people forget the useless desert 90% of null sec systems with less than 5 belts were before that) that no one wanted to shoot 500 POSes to move them.


You're exaggerating.

Nullsec was nowhere near in the state that it is now. There are only two major entities in all of nullsec at the moment. What?

There were over a dozen 7 years ago. Maybe more. There was plenty of room to spring up various places.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#38 - 2014-02-12 16:35:43 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


The whole point of renting is to make ISK off normally empty systems. Hence the "kill everything that moves" motive. You see, if you trespass, they might be a few hundred million short of their rent. That's a neat "system" they got there. High rent that MUST be earned, like having a job, in order to stay out there. If they don't rent out there, they won't be able to call themselves leet nullsec players. So into the hamster wheel of stupidity and ePeenery the neckbeards go...


This paragraph is as silly as CCPs idea that changing anomalies will create conflict lol (the didn't understand that people don't fight over ratting space, and still don't).

"kill everything that moves" (NBSI) exists because CCP made a video game with space ships and guns and outside of high sec nothing bad happens to you when you do it. There is not always some sinister ulterior motive for everything, sometimes people just do things because they are fun. Let go of the tinfoil.


Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#39 - 2014-02-12 16:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


The whole point of renting is to make ISK off normally empty systems. Hence the "kill everything that moves" motive. You see, if you trespass, they might be a few hundred million short of their rent. That's a neat "system" they got there. High rent that MUST be earned, like having a job, in order to stay out there. If they don't rent out there, they won't be able to call themselves leet nullsec players. So into the hamster wheel of stupidity and ePeenery the neckbeards go...


This paragraph is as silly as CCPs idea that changing anomalies will create conflict lol (the didn't understand that people don't fight over ratting space, and still don't).

"kill everything that moves" (NBSI) exists because CCP made a video game with space ships and guns and outside of high sec nothing bad happens to you when you do it. There is not always some sinister ulterior motive for everything, sometimes people just do things because they are fun. Let go of the tinfoil.






Then will you join me in a movement to make all resources FINITE? After all that would serve well your "because CCP made a video game with space ships and guns " yet we see a NAPfest and overlords sitting on piles on ISK and moon goo.

I'm tired of this "this is a PVP game! Hurf blurf!!!!" and yet nothing about the one thing that drive conflict the most: resources. Just about every war in history from the day an ape man pummeled another ape man with a femur over a water hole to now was directly and indirectly about resources (even holy wars, which were really about resources but the motives were buried under BS) .

So, put your money where your keyboard is and join me in a crusade to make ALL resources finite. Then we'll see a real application of the meaning of "because CCP made a video game with space ships and guns ".


Oh and here's a hint: would we have so much blob if resources were finite? Usually the greatest enemy of any empire was the exhaustion of their resources.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#40 - 2014-02-12 16:51:42 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?
Oh, roughly same chance as always.

It never was a “small alliance”/independent kind of arena.


If you go back far enough, say 6 or 7 years ago, "small" groups of 50 - 100 actually did hold and keep sov.

Nullsec was better in those days.

The state of nullsec in it's current form should be considered an embarrassment.


Rose colored glasses type thinking. The groups that did that back then were no more than Vassals of larger groups (basically the renters of the day) or inhabited space so useless (before Dominion's system upgrade scheme, people forget the useless desert 90% of null sec systems with less than 5 belts were before that) that no one wanted to shoot 500 POSes to move them.


You're exaggerating.

Nullsec was nowhere near in the state that it is now. There are only two major entities in all of nullsec at the moment. What?

There were over a dozen 7 years ago. Maybe more. There was plenty of room to spring up various places.


BoB is going to take over all of 0.0 and everyone will quit any second now.