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Null sec what chance does the little guy have

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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-12 12:14:42 UTC
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?

it looks like you have 3 choices at the moment join cfc/rus join N3 or buy a wizards hat and join provi block.

while i admit my knowledge of everything going on in null is somewhat limited every 1 seams to say the same thing N3 while still got a lot of fight in them is on the back-foot and in full retreat that blue doughnut is getting closer and closer to being complete.

small scale pvp is getting harder and harder to find always seams to be a 30 man fleet getting dropped by a 100 man fleet, and if/when the blue doughnut is complete you may as well say large scale pvp will die as well.

yes its in the nature of sandboxes for people to group together and form massive coalitions but is this really healthy for null sec?

Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#2 - 2014-02-12 12:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
The little guy has a chance if he submits to the bigger guy.

If you want to be independent in null, go to NPC space where you don't actually have to defend your stations.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#3 - 2014-02-12 12:21:32 UTC
There's always NPC null if you don't want to join one of the sov-holding groups.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4 - 2014-02-12 12:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
I don't think things will ever completely settle down.

The game has a strong focus on pvp and if it became quiet in sov nullsec, either the players would find a way to generate conflict or CCP would.

The blue donut, if it ever exists, will only exist for short periods. It's a huge achievement, but something has to come after it. It's not the end game, just a temporary state.

As for small groups, there's always npc null or start planning for expansion into new space coming in a few expansions.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#5 - 2014-02-12 12:31:47 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?

it looks like you have 3 choices at the moment join cfc/rus join N3 or buy a wizards hat and join provi block.

while i admit my knowledge of everything going on in null is somewhat limited every 1 seams to say the same thing N3 while still got a lot of fight in them is on the back-foot and in full retreat that blue doughnut is getting closer and closer to being complete.

small scale pvp is getting harder and harder to find always seams to be a 30 man fleet getting dropped by a 100 man fleet, and if/when the blue doughnut is complete you may as well say large scale pvp will die as well.

yes its in the nature of sandboxes for people to group together and form massive coalitions but is this really healthy for null sec?



I live next door to Sweden according to that map. Plainly that's where all the gudfites must be.

Also goons probably don't mind if you live in Venal or Cloud Ring and shoot their sneaky ratters who aren't deployed like they should be, keeping the herd strong, providing content and all that.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#6 - 2014-02-12 12:35:23 UTC
0.0 is done. That why CCP have thrown in the towel and stopped developing it, instead opting for completely new space.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-02-12 12:39:19 UTC
You're operating under a false premise: the little guy never stood a chance on his own.

And considering that the "little guy" has the option of operating successfully in lowsec, npc null, and most WHs, the fact that he can't also operate in sov null hardly seems unfair or game-breaking.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-02-12 12:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
I live in NPC Null. It's perfectly fine and I have fun...

Besides, just what do you expect? Someone to "give" you what you want? You came late to the party late and the best seats are gone and the hottest chicks already claimed...

The End...
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-02-12 12:49:54 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?


Absolutely no chance whatsoever.

Wait till all these new players we keep hearing about realise this.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#10 - 2014-02-12 12:51:36 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
0.0 is done. That why CCP have thrown in the towel and stopped developing it, instead opting for completely new space.


New space that will get overruned by the big blocks.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2014-02-12 12:55:40 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?
Oh, roughly same chance as always.

It never was a “small alliance”/independent kind of arena.
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
#12 - 2014-02-12 13:02:34 UTC
Nullsec is just fine for the little guys and i make plenty from it. Although to be fair i am a lowsec daytripper
Sarah Nalelmir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-02-12 13:07:46 UTC
Its sad that CFC are allowed to own so much of Null. There should be a limit on what can be cvlaimed by a particular corp/alliance.

I would prefer to see an even spread of corps/alliances rather than just one big blob of colour.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2014-02-12 13:14:23 UTC
Sarah Nalelmir wrote:
Its sad that CFC are allowed to own so much of Null. There should be a limit on what can be cvlaimed by a particular corp/alliance.
No, there really shouldn't be. The only sad part is that so everyone lets them own so much.

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I would prefer to see an even spread of corps/alliances rather than just one big blob of colour.
There already is a spread of alliances out there.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#15 - 2014-02-12 13:15:56 UTC
**** son, that map is beautiful
Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#16 - 2014-02-12 13:19:56 UTC
See that white stuff on your map?
thats neutral, as in on its own. Its the little guys.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-02-12 13:23:07 UTC
That map is also nonsense, as CFC and RUS are separate coalitions, and the RUS coalition will dissolve back into Southern and Northern Russians. Right now you have 3 coalitions + provi, and soon you will have 4 coalitions + provi, which is pretty much par for the course for the last half decade. This is around the 7th or 8th galaxy spanning conflict that has involved the vast majority of nullsec, almost exclusively divided into two camps; each time the chicken littles have cried about about falling skies and blues donuts, and each time they've been proven wrong.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Vordek Rei
Masters of Mass
#18 - 2014-02-12 13:23:18 UTC
WH is where the fun is - just saying. Null people are just carebears in big blobs.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#19 - 2014-02-12 13:31:23 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?


In sov space? Not chance. In NPC nullsec you make your own chance but expect docking/gate games. In wormholes you make your own chance but god help you if you pick the wrong one.

As for the blobs - again not true. I regularly deal with blobs from BNI where I live. Blobs are a part of life. Learn to avoid them (there is no point going 70:1) and pick off the stragglers. Once in a while you will get the small gang stuff happening. It helps if you have blues, then it's good fights all around.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#20 - 2014-02-12 13:35:22 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
That map is also nonsense, as CFC and RUS are separate coalitions, and the RUS coalition will dissolve back into Southern and Northern Russians. Right now you have 3 coalitions + provi, and soon you will have 4 coalitions + provi, which is pretty much par for the course for the last half decade. This is around the 7th or 8th galaxy spanning conflict that has involved the vast majority of nullsec, almost exclusively divided into two camps; each time the chicken littles have cried about about falling skies and blues donuts, and each time they've been proven wrong.



Why yo go making sense and introducing facts? This is GD damn it.

It's one of the recurring themes of EVE, "nullsec is all blue!!!11!". It was like that when I 1st went to null and BoB was the big boy on the block (I was in Atlas). Then it's the Northern Coalition +Goons (and the Russians), now it's Goons (and Russians) and an 'N3'. Tomorrow it will be someone else.

Yet some people (in their ignorance and outsider bias) will claim that null is 'stagnant' and never changes. It's one of those comfortable lies people tell themselves because they can't deal with the truth. When things do change, they ignore it and claim that the new big coalition is making null all blue and stagnant lol.



It reminds me a lot of these people who claims the next game or batch of games are gonna kill EVE. Those games come along (or die in development) and the same people claim the NEXT series of games will kill EVE (ignoring the fact that they were wrong the last time). The next series doesn't kill and and next thing you know, it's Star Citizen and Elite gonna kill EVE. We have to wait till at least 2016 to see these wrong people ignore their wrongness yet again.

TL:DR, people are stupid and have short memories.
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