EVE General Discussion

That actually sounds nice...

I'll need to think about that for some time.

Eve is as real and relevant as any other game, hobby or community. Real people play with real people. They invest real time and real emotions.

I think you may also have a rather strict definition of the word "monument" (!=memorial). Monuments aren't just for the fallen, even if that's the most common or publicly known use.
Monument for finishing a bridge: http://i.imgur.com/4lFTfsr.jpg
Monument for establishing a water system: http://i.imgur.com/D2rYnbo.jpg
Monument for seagull driving away crickets: http://i.imgur.com/XMrLA4i.jpg
Monument "End of an era": http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/65/Alexander_Fischer_-_Stuerzende1.JPG

And there's monument to "just games", like soccer:
- http://i.imgur.com/jS2ALZj.jpg
- http://www.holidaycheck.de/data/urlaubsbilder/images/41/1156177193.jpg
- http://i.imgur.com/V0fjBWb.jpg

Oh, those that think CCP is vain for building a monument:
- http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/redaktion/Angetestet/sc2_bei_blizzard/Statue.jpg
As opposed to Blizzard CCP's monument is supposed to stand for the community and what it created.

Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.

It was an ugly dialogue.

Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.

Just dropping by to say good job CCP. I think this is both creative and cool.

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Too..easy...must...resist....mustn't...

Will the erection take place in the morning? Because as you know morning erections are the best, when the sun is just coming up on the horizon.

Damnit.

Thanks for proving my point. EVE is a game and a hobby, and there are many other such games and hobbies out there which have been around a lot longer than EVE and which people are equally invested in; that doesn't make them monument-worthy.

Let's take poker for example; it's a game which has been around a lot longer than any of us, and there are people who devote significant portions of their lives to the game. There are regular tournaments that attract some of the best players in the world, and those players are properly recognized for their skill. But does that mean that we should put up a monument and engrave it with the names of every single person who ever opened a pack of cards or shuffled a deck? And if we did, would anyone care?



And this is where you're wrong. EVE is not as relevant or important as a real commmunity; it is a group of people who play a game together. People in a real community depend upon each other for their daily needs to sustain life. They defend each other from real threats, whether internal or external. The things they do have a direct physical impact on one another. In EVE, we only play and pretend at doing such things. Most EVE players will only ever interract with each other on a recreational level. That sort of community is by no means as "real and relevant as any other...community." To claim it as such shows a disturbing lack of perspective on life.

Dont' get me wrong, on occasion, many EVE players have worked together to do something truly meaningful that does impact the real world in a way that matters; PLEX for Good comes to mind as one example. But these sorts of efforts (and the individuals involved) should be (and often are) applauded and recognized for what they are: charitable acts to lift the real lives of others. This monument does nothing to recognize any of that, and does not differentiate between those who activley participated in such events and the RMT-driven macrobot ISK farmers who manage to fly under the radar and escape a ban.

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Exactly; they play. EVE is just a game. However involved and invested we may be in it, it is important to always remember that it is still just a game. To do otherwise is to dangerously confuse reality and fiction.



Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.

In the end, I suppose that's what this monument is: a tirbute to the arrogance of EVE players who believe that the binary code which makes up their virtual toys is somehow important to anyone beyond themselves, and that they should be recognized for playing with such toys. No wonder the world is in such a sad state, if this is the sort of thing people place value on in their lives.

this is excellent news :)

.....and over 2,000,000 a year visit it, a heck of a lot more than have any kind of relation up there. They want to see it and don't really have a personal incentive.

Yes, because I would travel all the way to Iceland just to write 'smells of wee' on the end of your name, for reals yo.