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Worlds Within a World - The EVE Universe Monument

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#341 - 2014-02-07 08:53:23 UTC
Moloney wrote:
No w considering creating a new aaccount to get my full name on there :-). Tks monument looks fairly cool to.


That actually sounds nice...

I'll need to think about that for some time. Straight

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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cochar Andedare
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2014-02-07 09:06:18 UTC
I think it's very very cool. Well played CCP. Big smile

On the other hand, the timer was ill advised.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
#343 - 2014-02-07 11:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Similarly, I am not "proud" of her name, nor of the things I have done as her in this or other games. Nothing about it has any sort of real impact worth being proud of; it's just a game after all. Nothing I've created or destroyed in this game actually exists. It's all just something I've done for pure entertainment, a way to spend a few hours in the evening; as the "casual player" CSM, you should understand that. What is the value of pride in something that isn't real?

I take pride in real accomplishments. I take pride in the things I do that positively affect the lives of others, whether those in my family, my community, or my country. I take pride in service I have given to people around the world. I cannot take pride in playing a computer game; to do so would be to attach an entirely unreasonable and unhealthy importance to something that is completely without form or substance. For all the talk and bravado of "EVE is real," the truth is that when all is said and done, it's just a game, and none of it matters.

If playing an online game shooting internet spaceships is the one aspect of your life that you feel is the most deserving of being memorialized in stone, then I feel very sorry for you.

If you think that anyone who doesn't play EVE is going to care or even notice a bunch of fake names on a frozen island in the North Atlantic, you're delusional.


Eve is as real and relevant as any other game, hobby or community. Real people play with real people. They invest real time and real emotions.

I think you may also have a rather strict definition of the word "monument" (!=memorial). Monuments aren't just for the fallen, even if that's the most common or publicly known use.
Monument for finishing a bridge: http://i.imgur.com/4lFTfsr.jpg
Monument for establishing a water system: http://i.imgur.com/D2rYnbo.jpg
Monument for seagull driving away crickets: http://i.imgur.com/XMrLA4i.jpg
Monument "End of an era": http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/65/Alexander_Fischer_-_Stuerzende1.JPG

And there's monument to "just games", like soccer:
- http://i.imgur.com/jS2ALZj.jpg
- http://www.holidaycheck.de/data/urlaubsbilder/images/41/1156177193.jpg
- http://i.imgur.com/V0fjBWb.jpg

Oh, those that think CCP is vain for building a monument:
- http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/redaktion/Angetestet/sc2_bei_blizzard/Statue.jpg
As opposed to Blizzard CCP's monument is supposed to stand for the community and what it created.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#344 - 2014-02-07 12:46:25 UTC
I think the idea of a RL monument to this addictive little spaceship game we all live in is great. Eve is real and all that.

It looks like lots of folks are ready to line up to shoot this one too, just because it's there.

The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.

Keep on truckin' CCP.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#345 - 2014-02-07 13:12:10 UTC
War Kitten wrote:


The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.



Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.

It was an ugly dialogue.

Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Lelianna Kautsuo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#346 - 2014-02-07 14:06:22 UTC
first rule of being a dev! no matter what you do, someone will hate you for it
Tas Exile
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#347 - 2014-02-07 14:46:52 UTC
Just dropping by to say good job CCP. I think this is both creative and cool.

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2D34DLY4U
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#348 - 2014-02-07 14:47:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

You're out by ~an order of magnitude.

CCP have every reason to expect significant revenue returns from this project. It's a marketing project at heart. A lovely gesture, a compliment to the community, but fundamentally, CCP expect to gain from doing this. As one would expect a commercial company to do.


That is awesome!

The gain in terms of EVE subscriptions will come from:

  • the March active account deadline for engraving eligibility
  • the world wide news and PR generated by this marketing initiative
  • people in Iceland that either live there or come visit and see the monument


Considering that few people live / visit Iceland, that in a random population sample EVE players or eligible players are a small %, and that the majority of EVE customers are not from there anyway, the bulk of the impact of this measure in generating additional EVE revenues should come from the PR + the March deadline.

Therefore, to effectively measure the marketing impact of this initiative in EVE, we need to analyze:

  • new active subscriptions during the period between the announcement (the clock countdown to 0) and the March deadline
  • new active subsriptions during the month after the monument is inaugurated (when PR will be max)


There is some leftover tail effect coming from the PR into perpetuity so we should add a small % to the results above that should nevertheless capture the bulk impact of the initiative.

Since we are measuring the incremental impact and not an absolute thing I suggest we compare against the overall 2013 trend as well as against new subscriptions during the PR media exposure after the B-R titan fight.

Note I am not considering tourist paraphernalia or other side businesses that may develop around the monument, what matters here is the impact on EVE.

Looking forward to the results, this is awesome as instead of randomly arguing about subjective impressions we can measure success or failure and act accordingly.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#349 - 2014-02-07 15:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
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#350 - 2014-02-07 16:47:40 UTC
Also, I have faith that CCP won't forget us ISDs when they make the big list of names. Big smile

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#351 - 2014-02-07 17:39:48 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:

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Criticism and disagreement with the erection of this monument is perfectly acceptable....

Too..easy...must...resist....mustn't...

Will the erection take place in the morning? Because as you know morning erections are the best, when the sun is just coming up on the horizon.

Damnit.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#352 - 2014-02-07 18:24:43 UTC
I agree with the sentiment of those who think that the money could have been better spent on other things but I fully support the monument and the reasons for its commissioning, eve is no ordinary game, it's a virtual world filled with real people that do dynamic things with the tools that they have. For many people including me eve is real and an extension of my life. I am a citizen of new eden and if ccp wants to celebrate the virtual with a real life monument as a thank you to the community that makes the game great and in turn makes eve great and ccp successful then I say thank you.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#353 - 2014-02-07 18:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirren D'marr
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Similarly, I am not "proud" of her name, nor of the things I have done as her in this or other games. Nothing about it has any sort of real impact worth being proud of; it's just a game after all. Nothing I've created or destroyed in this game actually exists. It's all just something I've done for pure entertainment, a way to spend a few hours in the evening; as the "casual player" CSM, you should understand that. What is the value of pride in something that isn't real?

I take pride in real accomplishments. I take pride in the things I do that positively affect the lives of others, whether those in my family, my community, or my country. I take pride in service I have given to people around the world. I cannot take pride in playing a computer game; to do so would be to attach an entirely unreasonable and unhealthy importance to something that is completely without form or substance. For all the talk and bravado of "EVE is real," the truth is that when all is said and done, it's just a game, and none of it matters.

If playing an online game shooting internet spaceships is the one aspect of your life that you feel is the most deserving of being memorialized in stone, then I feel very sorry for you.

If you think that anyone who doesn't play EVE is going to care or even notice a bunch of fake names on a frozen island in the North Atlantic, you're delusional.


Eve is as real and relevant as any other game, hobby...


Thanks for proving my point. EVE is a game and a hobby, and there are many other such games and hobbies out there which have been around a lot longer than EVE and which people are equally invested in; that doesn't make them monument-worthy.

Let's take poker for example; it's a game which has been around a lot longer than any of us, and there are people who devote significant portions of their lives to the game. There are regular tournaments that attract some of the best players in the world, and those players are properly recognized for their skill. But does that mean that we should put up a monument and engrave it with the names of every single person who ever opened a pack of cards or shuffled a deck? And if we did, would anyone care?

Sephira Galamore wrote:
...or community.


And this is where you're wrong. EVE is not as relevant or important as a real commmunity; it is a group of people who play a game together. People in a real community depend upon each other for their daily needs to sustain life. They defend each other from real threats, whether internal or external. The things they do have a direct physical impact on one another. In EVE, we only play and pretend at doing such things. Most EVE players will only ever interract with each other on a recreational level. That sort of community is by no means as "real and relevant as any other...community." To claim it as such shows a disturbing lack of perspective on life.

Dont' get me wrong, on occasion, many EVE players have worked together to do something truly meaningful that does impact the real world in a way that matters; PLEX for Good comes to mind as one example. But these sorts of efforts (and the individuals involved) should be (and often are) applauded and recognized for what they are: charitable acts to lift the real lives of others. This monument does nothing to recognize any of that, and does not differentiate between those who activley participated in such events and the RMT-driven macrobot ISK farmers who manage to fly under the radar and escape a ban.

Sephira Galamore wrote:
Real people play with real people. They invest real time and real emotions.
(boldface added for emphasis)

Exactly; they play. EVE is just a game. However involved and invested we may be in it, it is important to always remember that it is still just a game. To do otherwise is to dangerously confuse reality and fiction.

Sephira Galamore wrote:
I think you may also have a rather strict definition of the word "monument" (!=memorial). Monuments aren't just for the fallen, even if that's the most common or publicly known use.
Monument for finishing a bridge: http://i.imgur.com/4lFTfsr.jpg
Monument for establishing a water system: http://i.imgur.com/D2rYnbo.jpg
Monument for seagull driving away crickets: http://i.imgur.com/XMrLA4i.jpg
Monument "End of an era": http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/65/Alexander_Fischer_-_Stuerzende1.JPG

And there's monument to "just games", like soccer:
- http://i.imgur.com/jS2ALZj.jpg
- http://www.holidaycheck.de/data/urlaubsbilder/images/41/1156177193.jpg
- http://i.imgur.com/V0fjBWb.jpg

Oh, those that think CCP is vain for building a monument:
- http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/redaktion/Angetestet/sc2_bei_blizzard/Statue.jpg
As opposed to Blizzard CCP's monument is supposed to stand for the community and what it created.


Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.

In the end, I suppose that's what this monument is: a tirbute to the arrogance of EVE players who believe that the binary code which makes up their virtual toys is somehow important to anyone beyond themselves, and that they should be recognized for playing with such toys. No wonder the world is in such a sad state, if this is the sort of thing people place value on in their lives.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_

Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#354 - 2014-02-07 19:23:08 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.



Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.

It was an ugly dialogue.

Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.


Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison.

You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented.

The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#355 - 2014-02-07 19:43:12 UTC
this is excellent news :)

The Tears Must Flow

Khimes Quds
Eclipse Pulsar
Trigger Happy.
#356 - 2014-02-07 19:44:02 UTC
Great idea and beautiful execution CCP. I'm grateful for being a part of such a special work of art and culture.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#357 - 2014-02-07 20:16:34 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
I am so completely and utterly underwhelmed, CCP. Yeah, I guess a monument is cool, but here I was thinking the timer would be counting down to some important change to EVE Online, rather than an announcement about a planned monument.

How does this thing even represent EVE? There's no imagery in the design that resembles anything in EVE, just a blank obelisk flanked by a face-like object. The only thing telling us that this monument represents EVE is that sculptor saying it does. It could just as well represent the struggle of the common man to understand the mindless rapacity of the business world, or something else appropriately art-wonky.

I'm disappointed, CCP, because you made such a big deal over this and it's something that doesn't actually affect a lot of us.


Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah.

It's so popular they can't hardly handle the crowds.

Time will tell all. It always does.


When it's one of the few places to go to honor your lost loved one there's not much of a choice but to show up there. 50K+ dead makes for a lot of traveling relatives.


.....and over 2,000,000 a year visit it, a heck of a lot more than have any kind of relation up there. They want to see it and don't really have a personal incentive.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#358 - 2014-02-07 20:54:05 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
With the announcement of Worlds Within a World, we would like to have a place where the monument and the project can be discussed by the community.

Please use this thread for comments, feedback and discussion in the run up the unveiling at Fanfest 2014.


I like.

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#359 - 2014-02-07 23:30:25 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Actually, now I have something to do IRL. I have to go to iceland, find my name, and PAINT FRICKIN' FLAMES AROUND IT!

Yar.

It's neat. The monument. It's a neat monument. Player built stargates would be more neat... but this is cool.


Yeah, how long before certain names are vandalized on the thing.
You KNOW it is going to happen.


Yes, because I would travel all the way to Iceland just to write 'smells of wee' on the end of your name, for reals yo.

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#360 - 2014-02-07 23:30:48 UTC
I like the monument, even though crying baby might have been more fitting of the typical EVE player.

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