EVE General Discussion

A better way to say what you're trying to say is that Eve is a sandbox and spaceships are how we interact with that sandbox. CCP is really good at utilizing spaceships to make the sandbox fun but they have a pretty horrible track record when it comes to shoehorning avatar gameplay into their spaceship game. Why wouldn't you want them to continue to do what they are good at?

The track record consists of Incarna, DUST and the WoD vaporware game. That's three chances!

So your argument is that the horrible DUST avatar gameplay or the non-existant WoD avatar gameplay would translate perfectly to Eve? Or is it that CCP should spend another two years ignoring Eve to come up with a whole new framework?

What content was added to the game in the two years WiS was being implemented that actually worked when it was released. This is another one of my questions you've never been able to answer. I'm starting to think you may not actually know what you're talking about.

as i've seen Arduemont post, that's the fundamental premise that keeps EVE locked from avatar interaction........the game was at its core designed around spaceship content.....practically the whole game revolves around them.......the rest of the content is tied to it one way o another. WiS wll only be part of the game unless CCP completelly reform the game and make it capsuleer centric.......this means, focusing in what the player's avatar can do, as i have explained several times in this thread, and as it was discussed in the EVE Vegas videos. the game has to move from being locked to an spaceship which houses a pilot. to a pilot who can also use drop suits and/or pilot a fighter too, along with other vehicles.

unless we get an EVE game where the player can explore and interact wth the whole universe seamlessly using the tools he wants and the transportation medium he wants (dropsuits, planetary vehicles, spaceships, fighters, heck even animal mounts could be avaliable).....

WiS will never be part of EVE no matter how much you want the door to be opened it doesnt give anything unless there's actually something meaningfull to do out there, be it killing other players while using a dropsuit when invading an enemy station, exploring the inside of an sleeper complex with weapons and archeology/hacking kits in inventory, or even extracting and crafting planetary commodities on the surface of a planet and later selling them in an alliance owned city......the possibilities are endless......

I don't see any avatar gameplay in the fps that is dust. Plus we've had two years since Incarna in which CCP have blissfully ignored EVE. Ship rebalancing and modules like the ESS (chase the Egg/Beacon Hunt) do not improve gamplay when everyone agrees that POS's and SOV are completely ******.

It's strange though that I am not seeing any development on SOV/POS's that's because Eve has been put into maintenance mode whilst CCP develops other things in the hope of creating multiple streams of income. I've got no problem with any company wanting more than one income stream, from a business point of view it's clearly a sensible thing to do. Thing is it shouldn't be done on the cheap (which is what CCP is doing by not employing new developers and teams to do this) and this miserable situation is all because some people with a smilar outlook to Rhes hijacked community anger over the next store and the greed is good memo to torpedo avatar content. So Rhes you can thank your cohorts for putting eve in a permanent state of no development. That fact that SOV isn't ever going to be fixed and POS's are a long way (perhaps ten years away) from being looked at is the fault of your fellow buddies who don't like Avatar content.

You've killed your own game.

What it comes down to is that WiS is not an expansion. It's at least one new game. On of CCP's mistakes was that they didn't realize that--but there were lots of other mistakes they made as well. CCP will do it, one way or another, because it has been their plan from the beginning to simulate a universe. There are a number of very good reasons why ships were the place to start, but it was never the plan that EVE would only be spaceships, and it will never be. That's their current focus, and it should be, because it's the shipping game. But all you need to do is watch their aspirational trailers and promotional videos to see where they want things to be.

Those of you crowing over the failures of DUST and WoD to launch into the MMO stratosphere have forgotten that if CCP felt that way about EVE, they'd have shuttered it after its incredibly rocky start. Instead, they risked their own homes to pull it through. They're playing a long game here. I'm not saying they'll succeed, I'm just saying that they're giving themselves a long timeline and a lot of chances to get those games polished up. They've developed a shipping game before, after all; I remember it was right around Crucible that someone joked that EVE was finally out of beta.

The thing I love most about CCP is that they are still that crazy. EVE will start to wither the minute they lose that gleam in their eyes and fall back on focus-group-tested features and timid expansions exclusively. My optimism comes from the observable fact that, since (the months leading up to) Crucible, CCP has also shown an ability to execute in addition to its ability to dream big.

step by step progression is what CCP has been doing since the start, and its of course admirable, but in order to put WiS in function as i explained it requires making big expansions.......bigger than Apocrypha in order to put it to function......a character editor and a bunch of places to visit isnt enough for the scope of what WiS can be.......it needs to be done with the same effort as with the spaceship content of the last 10 years......even more.....

Doesn't need one. It's something players want and aren't willing to give up asking.

Yeah... sure...