EVE New Citizens Q&A

OR...maybe...because they joined a corp, got part of a group of people they now call friends and helped them out.

Maybe because they played a MMO in multiplayer part and got the benefits from taking a little bit of risk (in my 3 years in EVE, I've seen 10 corps and NEVER had anything bad happen to me. Awoxers never got recruited because all corps knew what they were doing in terms of recruitment. Wardecs happened, but each and every corp had their protocols to deal with them).

I have never been shot at by a corpmate. I think your making a huge deal out of the AWOX threat while it's actually pretty negligible (assuming of course your CEO does decent background checks.)

EVE is a place where you can expect to be shot at any time, my corpmates however are the only people I would implicitly trust NOT to do that (unless I ask them to.)

The three corps I have been in so far have in fact only provided pros, and no cons.

1) generally lower or equal tax as the NPC corp.
2) intel channels (telling me where there are gate camps, pirates, etc...)
3) fleets (many things in EVE can only be done in a group, or are much safer when grouped)
4) a corp will often have some members highly knowledgable about the game, who can help you with fittings, tactics, etc...
5) POS access, corp haulers, low tax on POCOs
6) safety, if everyone in system is blue i can take out my more expensive ships without worrying about attacks.

The principle advantage to joining a high security space and/or "carebear" corporation is the pooling of personal talents and resources so that no one person has to try to become a master of everything.

The most classic example is your basic Orca mining fleet. Unless one is running multiple accounts, there is little reason to own an Orca unless has several friends in the same timezone that one does not mind helping out. And it is a selfless act to do so, because the Orca pilot themselves is not likely to make much, if any, direct financial profit from doing so.

However in a player corporation the Orca is now an invaluable asset. It moves goods, it assists in mining, and it forms a center around which a good fleet can be built - even if simply doing mission running or exploration, as it's corporate hangers turn it into a small mobile base of operations that can travel alongside the rest of the fleet.

In other words, the Orca is valuable to everyone else far more than it is to it's own pilot. Freighters share a similar doctrine: A freighter for a solo operating pilot is a luxury, as unless they are full time professional haulers by trade, they probably will not have many times when they truly need to use it. Yet inside the structure of a corporation a freighter pilot is always a welcome asset, and the freighter will see much more use.

Now as a pilot one could go out and learn how to fly and Orca, and a Freighter, and every other type of support ship in all of New Eden. Or... they can join a company that already has such assets and allow themselves to focus their own training into more specialized fields. This, too, helps everyone in the group as well.

Ultimately, despite their profit oriented goals, the real purpose of EvE player corporation is talent collectivism - those whom have helping those whom need. It is this communal sharing of resources, be that ISK, ships, skills, knowledge or even just good company that creates a dynamic of interlocking needs amongst it's members, and it is fulfilling these needs that gives the player behind the keyboard a sense of satisfaction.

At least that is how I see it...

Right.

Imagine you're practicing a squad tactic, something that requires multiple pilots. 4 pilots on each team who would have to separately duel every member of the opposite team, which would be annoying enough. Even worse imagine you set up all the duels right and begin the fight, every member of your team must shoot every member of the opposing team at least once every few minutes just to keep all the duel timers running or risk concord when they accidentally switch to a target whos engagement timer had run out a second earlier. Can everyone see why corps have to be able to freely engage each other?

Ok how about another one >:)

Imagine its illegal to shoot corp mates, meaning that players must duel if they want to fight. That would obviously be tied into the current flagging system. So then between fights you want pilots armor repped back up by logistics, except you can't because interfering in a duel makes logi suspect and gets him killed even by people not in your corp.

...I get it, you've spent ALL your isk on a ship and you're afraid a nasty corp mate will kill it. Please stop bleating about changes to long standing and necessary rules before you have a decent enough understanding of the game to know why they are in place. Stop flying ships so valuable they make you afraid, or you will be sitting on the outskirts forever yelling to anyone who will listen that "corps are only for awoxers" and how everyone's after your lucky bloody charms.



Sort it out. If everything you didn't understand was considered un-necessary we'd have no game left.

Ok, its not safe to join a corp, I get that, and its that way by design, totally understand that too, like it even. But the designers cant have their cake and eat it too. If they have designed risk and danger into the very foundation of the game then they would have to expect that a certain percentage of the player base will weigh up the pros and cons and logically conclude that the cons are simply too extreme to justify the benefits.

Some risks are mandatory, like undocking, but others like joining a corp are entirely voluntary and can be completely avoided if the risk is perceived by the player as outweighing the benefits. CCP have to expect that some players will come to that conclusion based on their design. How large that percentage is I have no idea, but Oraac Ensor seems to suggest that its not insignificant which is entirely understandable.

It has nothing to do with nonsense like being unsociable or not wanting to play a multiplayer game, its simply a value judgement which results in combined risks / hassles appearing to exceed potential benefits. Nothing more.

I actually like the universe of EVE dark and hostile, I like the fact that there are real predators out there that I have to outsmart in order to survive. But the whole idea of joining a large corp just makes me feel like I'm turning my back on those very same predators and letting my guard down instead of facing them with a whip and a chair.

The first rule of EVE is NOT: Trust no one......... except when you join a corp in which case by all means trust an indeterminate bunch of sociopathic individuals and assorted homicidal maniacs with every detail about yourself and then hope they wont shoot you. Its simply: Trust no one. Period. You cant have it both ways......

Of course if the potential benefits did clearly outweigh the risks that would be different and this thread has been very useful to me in pointing out several benefits that I was previously unaware of, but it still doesn't seem enough to outweigh the many negatives. Maybe I'll feel differently when financial survival is no longer my only priority.

So, special snowflake, point me out on the rifter where the bad man touched you.


So, you are someone who only cares about non consentual, boring PvE grinding stuff, and you measure your success in the value of your overpriced ship with even more overpriced modules.

And then come to the forums complaining how CCP should change the game.


Guess what, it ain't going to happen. EVE is a PvP game, thus, PvP is everywhere.
Now before you start whining again that EVE ain't a PvP game, take a look at this. Specially Chapter 5, subsection 5.3 on page 13. 2nd sentence says:


While you are at it, look at the author of said guide...CCP themselfs.

Using 4 year old statistics.

Ooh and heads up, it's a questionaire, how many players do you think actually take the time to do that.
After doing a good bit of market research for my uni for projects, I can assure you, it ain't over 50% of their customers most likely that fill in the questions.

And using the typical carebear reasoning agian I see.


Sure, trust nobody...with stuff you don't want to lose.

Ooh I have a Marauder for mission running, but also a BC. I joined a new corp, what ship should I bring the first time...easy solution, I trust them with the BC, because losing that isn't as big of a loss compared to the Marauder.

And who says you MUST givbe all details about you. YOU give tehm the details you want.
None of my former corps knew about the names of my alts, what I did with them, what ships I had, where they were parked etc. etc.
I gave the information needed to the person who needed it, when I thought it was good enough to trust them with them.


You're are just a very overly paranoid solo player. Good luck in your time in EVE, I had a good vibe about you and what you posted, but in this thread it went from 100 to 0 in less then 2 pages. Just by showing how little you know about the game, and how you generalize everything.

Not letting you have 7 posts in a row :P

EDIT FOR CONTENT : Loads of stuff about risks and mechanics with a bit of light humour & stuff..

Except that by staying in an NPC corp, you aren't facing the lions with a whip and a chair, you are hiding under a rock and hoping they will pass by without noticing you. This strategy makes some sense in a real world context, where being eaten is the price of failure, but in a video game it makes no sense at all.

When I started EVE, I was in E-Uni for about a year, and have been an active part of the alumni community ever since. In the years that I have been associated with them (this is a corp with thousands of members, btw, and new people coming and going every day), to my knowledge there have only been two AWOX incidents. Only one of those did any significant damage and neither really affected the average member.

I'm telling you this to point out that you are making a big deal out of something that is really an insignificant risk to any corporation where the leadership knows what they are doing. Think older, larger, more established corps with a documented history of success, if you are so concerned about this.

In related news, E-Uni has an SRP, and I believe it does include cruisers. You mentioned that losing your cruiser would be devastating for you. Seems like a benefit you may wish to consider.