EVE General Discussion

I think you fail to see the truth of it.

A strongly player supported concept is suggested by CSM and is implemented. Most people have a lot of fun with it (well, the ones who don't have their heads shoved firmly up their asses). Fail PvPers unable to either utilize interceptors properly by being creative and embracing target selection in order to inflict pain and weepy nullbears unable to cope with this new threat claim "imbalance" and, as you have done, declare the concept to be failed and unpopular.

Same goes for the ESS. Yeah, it's probably an inconvenience to many people, but those who either benefit from it by using it correctly... in their vast amounts of space (*cough*)... or otherwise ignore it (and take the microscopic hit) will be the ones who don't experience selective memory problems and, eventually, aneurisms over well-intentioned modifications to the game. It's like watching a politician flip-flop on a suddenly relevant topic.

Then fly a ****ing interceptor!



Christ man, you crack me up.

So there is your counter. Wich means it is not broken, just an overall stupid idea.

If your just better off not using the thing instead of using one and protecting it, then just don't use it. If no one uses them, then its essentially just a 5% flat cut like people would prefer (although granted with a way around it if you want to do the work).

I personally wonder if CCP would bother keeping them in the game if literally no one ever used them.

Once again you are arguing against a straw man. You assume because I think something is broken means I either can't use it, or don't know how to use it effectively. I call it imbalance because they can't be killed without gross pilot error. I get to that conclusion by saying "How would I fly a Malediction given this particular subset of skills/hull bonuses etc". Now I don't fly a malediction due to atrophied missile skills and way too much invested in gunnery but I've been flying my stiletto in laps from curse to vale, passing through syndicate for giggles, and you know what? I'm impossible to kill in this thing. Oh sure one day I'll make a mistake due to alcohol and tackle a curse or something dumb like that, but barring stupidity? I'm going to bring it home every time. Every other hull I have has a little "Oh **** competent people are going to kill me no matter what I do" built in. But not this one.

I dislike that. It's weird that you dislike me disliking that.

I do! and I meant risk into the interceptors life. A ship immune to being killed while just traveling from gate to gate annoys the hell out of me. I ***** about nullified T3's too, though they derp a bit more than a ceptor with nanos do thanks to align times.



Admittedly so am I.

That leaves us with a 5% nerf to an activity that is already paying out less than you can make in high sec level 4s.

Will high sec income also be getting nerfed to compensate this loss in income?

I think a lot of people are actually missing the point in this thread, too. Null people ("nullbears" how they're called nowadays) aren't concerned about "ermagawdmyiskies". 5% is a nerf but hey, we still have moons and the hilarious top-down income that means you buy a ship once and then get reimbursed when you lose it. You literally ride on the same ISK investment if you want to do just fleets, and that's not mentioning peacetime reimbursements for random gangs.

With cash like this you can afford to buy stupid ships an die in them or have surplus cash as a reserve.

The first point, I guess, would be the fact that CCP is offering a raidable structure that offers a staggering, mindblowing... 5%! bonus to bounty payouts. At the risk of 20-25% overall income. Given individual bounties are so low they force people to AFK rat in drone ships for hours or build overly expensive faction/t3 ships designed to burn through anomalies before even bounties tick, it doesn't seem it's going to be worth it.

In short, CCP managed to come up with something uniquely idiotic, useless and tries to do something with broken PvE instead of, I don't know, fixing the damn broken PvE.

Second point is - it's yet another nerf to null grunt-level income. There's even less incentive to get out there and poke some rats in hostile space because "omg bounties so high let's go belt rat". The case of "why bother risking your ship?" is already up there because of incursions/l4's being a safer and more profitable way of earning money. The words "nullsec income" should cause people to drool and try to cut themselves a nice slice, not say "cool, I make more in hisec incursions/farming LP in fw anyway".

I somehow fail to see how a "Guys! Guys! let's go travel a region of gatecamps and baddies to raid a structure for 20m ISK split between our 10 man fleet!" scenario will happen - it should be more like "Hey guys, let's form a fleet to nab a DED Complex and get the 1bn BPC inside. 2 dudes run it in Tengus, rest gets into assfrigs and holds on the gate"

OMG you whining tw@ts. Big alliances trying to control eve again.

its ONLY 5% jesus christ! what is up with you. Dont use the ESS you ARE NOT FORCED to.

if you ratted for an hour and made 80mill you would be ONLY losing 4 million isk from what you would get now. big deal! and if you live in nullsec if losing 4 million isk is a problem for you, your doing it wrong.

Sorry if your botters will now lose a little more income!

get a god damn grip

posting with my main-main because i dont give a feck, this is getting out of hand

personally if ccp wanted to nerf nullsec they should of gone further and dropped it to 50% then the ESS would go up in scale the longer its there to 110%. this would of made it a far far better and interesting concept. At the moment the 5% is so small i wouldnt even bother deploying a ESS, so ignore it.

Its the fact that over the last decade null has seen nerf after nerf to its income and we are now at the point where high sec offers much better income. This latest nerf is simply making the problem even worse. There is no reason at all to run anoms over high sec level 4s.

You know that this is a LIE. You know very well thatyou can make far far more isk per hour in 0.0. THe only place in high sec where you do near that level of isk per our is incursions. but those you cannot just get home and spend 30 mintues doing it. You need to get on wait list and wait for 2 hours before you start doing money.


If 0.0 is so much less productive than high sec? Why you guys fich so many wars for the income resources of 0.0?


SImplyu, this is a #!@#!@ excuse. 0.0 income is still 2-3 orders of magnitude larger than high sec (except commerce of course)