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Fix Lag
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Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-16 01:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Title edited for clarity - CCP Falcon

You know there's a pretty huge issue when

Goonswarm Federation
Mordus Angels
Fatal Ascension
Razor Alliance
Li3 Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Space Monkey's Alliance
Pandemic Legion
Black Legion
Nulli Secunda
Against All Authorities
Darkness of Despair
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
The Initiative.
Brothers of Tangra
Fidelas Constans
Gentleman's Agreement
Solar Fleet
Circle of Two
The Kadeshi
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Spaceship Samurai
Executive Outcomes


all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is really fucking stupid.

Somebody at CCP who isn't SoniClover needs to address this issue. The ESS sucks. If you put it into the game, people are going to riot and then leave. It's a trainwreck of bad ideas and nobody wants it for what it is, which is a giant kick in the gonads to anybody who already has to endure the misery of ratting in nullsec.

It doesn't work. There are so many wrong things with the mechanics it's like somebody looked at the list of "Things That Were Taken Out Of Eve Or Never Added In The First Place Because They Suck(ed)" and used that as a template to design the ESS. CCP SoniClover got his pompous ass handed to him by Weaselior who came in with officially published statements by other CCP employees showing that the stated reason for the ESS to exist was entirely false.Seriously. Page 21. It's all right there.


And all that we, the players of this game, have to show for our originally respectful criticism, is CCP SoniClover creating a PR disaster by pissing us off and assuming we're stupid.


Somebody else from CCP needs to step up and start dealing with this. And good luck if you go the "well let's just censor everything like we usually do" route.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Jim Era
#2 - 2014-01-16 01:55:22 UTC
o.O
I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of.

Wat™
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-01-16 01:58:37 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
o.O
I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of.


If you can get past the very poorly written devblog, CCP's cutting nullsec ratter income by a minimum of 5% across the board and attempting to force a really, really, REALLY poorly designed mechanic down peoples' throats. It's so bad neither the defenders or offenders want to use it. That's how wretchedly horrible it is. And the blanket cut with no justification is a load of rotting Icelandic shark shit.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Brock Nelson
#4 - 2014-01-16 02:00:51 UTC
**** YES! ANOTHER SHOOT THE STATUE EVENT!

Oh wait...

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WASPY69
Xerum.
#5 - 2014-01-16 02:04:38 UTC
+1
The most useless, irrelevant addition to EVE in a long time. Not only that, but it spams local worse than Jita isk doublers...

"EVE System > *Person1* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > *Person2* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > *Person1* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"

And it goes on and on and on and on... make it stahp!

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Jim Era
#6 - 2014-01-16 02:05:25 UTC
Eh, yea I was just reading up on that.

That sounds awful. Oh my lord that is awful.

Wat™
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-01-16 02:06:57 UTC
How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec.

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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2014-01-16 02:07:10 UTC
Seems to me they are trying to make you work in teams for an additonal 5% or not work in teams for a 5% reduction.

But what do I know I'm a hi-sec dweller. Roll

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-01-16 02:09:23 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec.


because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet.

i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-01-16 02:10:38 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec.


because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet.

i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck.


Oh if that's the case we're already in highsec on our alts running l4s and doing incursions. So that means if they want to nerf nullsec income the ESS needs to be exclusively a highsec thing. It works perfectly that way.

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Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-16 02:11:08 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Seems to me they are trying to make you work in teams for an additonal 5% or not work in teams for a 5% reduction.


They are trying quite a number of things and failing at all of them. Unless their stated goal was to get virtually everyone with any grasp of nullsec mechanics mad as hell.

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But what do I know


Jack shit, and Jack just left town.

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Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-16 02:13:53 UTC
This kind of astounds me, it seems like a lot of work to make something seem like it is actually doing something useful, but in reality it is just a piece of non-wanted garbage.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-16 02:14:21 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet.



Really? That's funny because I have some CSM minutes here that say otherwise. Literally the exact opposite of what SoniClover said was happening with bounties. Page 21.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Von Brawn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-01-16 02:20:53 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec.


because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet


I dont know any 0.0 region that isnt full of uncatchable interceptor gangs. They stuffed a giant turd into the faucet already.
Molenius Morrowinger
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-01-16 02:21:16 UTC
Haven't heard of him.
Is SoniClover new Ghostcrawler of EVE?
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#16 - 2014-01-16 02:24:17 UTC
That does sound pretty stupid. But it's causing butthurt so ill get behind it. +1 for ESS.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-01-16 02:35:08 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec.


because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet.

i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck.


Oh if that's the case we're already in highsec on our alts running l4s and doing incursions. So that means if they want to nerf nullsec income the ESS needs to be exclusively a highsec thing. It works perfectly that way.



incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk. they generate a ton of loyalty points. which can be converted into an income, but they aren't pure isk faucets - or even close. they mostly generate wealth that is sold on the market.

ratting is basically a pure isk faucet.

note i'm not defending the ESS. i think it's a terrible idea - just pointing out some facts.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#18 - 2014-01-16 02:39:41 UTC
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incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk.


Granted, you qualify this statement as "they generate loyalty points instead", but that is still bar none the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say on these forums.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#19 - 2014-01-16 02:42:03 UTC
I'm not sure I get it. So the unit steals money from ratters and then ratters have to get the money from the unit or thieves can get it instead?

Oh god.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#20 - 2014-01-16 02:43:09 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
+1 for ESS

Indeed. Long live the butthurt machine.

You didn't want that 5% anyway.

See what I did there? I used "didn't want anyway" because, you know, this is EVE.
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