Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am skeptic towards both these mods. Below my 2 cent from the point of view of a smallish w-space pvp group. Not so much focusing on the details of when to bump who or how many seconds it takes to drop on a plexing fleet... more on general direction these mods seem to go.

The MMJD sounds a bit like an extra med slot for any ship that got the cargo hold for it and basically enables every ship to fit a MJD even though only BS can?! Overall it doesn't sound like something that promotes fights but rather promotes emergency exits. For me Eve is fun/thrilling because of the risk vs reward. This seems to lower the risk significantly. On the other hand i understood that anyone can use a MMJD once deployed. So whats the point?!

The mobile scan inhibitor sounds just obsolete and overly complicated. If it hides mobile bubbles as well it will be really just scaring newer players away from eve. These players who probably have a terribly hard time to drill through all these special cases that exist in Eve already.

Sorry, but why make this strange scan inhibitor? wouldn't it make much more sense to do some changes to the local channel? for w-space (where we live) i cannot see any significant impact of the scan inhibitor. We need to scan everything anyway. (unless that thing hides anomalies, which would be awful)

I think both these modules are heading into a direction i don't like. Making engagements somewhat more complicated and making running away even easier if you do it right.

Somehow in contrary to the changes done to the scanning system and scanning user interface lately which were really good. These changes removed tediousness from the game.

These two new modules seem to add tediousness to pvp. Especially the MMJD giving long range platforms even more options (you know the pussies who stay out of point range, not risking anything but gaining some easy kills until their friendly tacklers got killed and they run away to their hive). A pesky method of not committing to a fight but still maybe sneak on some kills, which got overly promoted with the tier 3 battle cruisers already.

Sorry to say, but both mods sound flawed to me. Overly complicated, giving a lot of room for running away in already hard to find smaller scale pvp. We, as a small corp/fleet, already most of the time invest a hell of a lot of ISK into a fleet to be able to stand up against the odds (especially in k-space null sec) just to find that it already is super easy for the blobs (to first cyno in and then) to just run away when blobing starts to not work as good as planned. So we already go higher risk by fighting 3...4...5 vs 1 and try to compensate via ISK and end up having a fleet of 20 ships be worth 10 times the ISK the 50 man hostile fleet is worth. Just to watch them MMJD from one spot to the next trying to down some of us without committing to anything.... awful outlook.

Looking at these two mods i somehow just want to say two things:

Get local channel sorted (instead of scan inhibitor)
Get POS fixed (instead of wasting time on stuff no one needs - MMJD).

Some huge bad effect is that if you have just a normal probe launcher you may get stuck in a wormhole if the main forces of the system simply decide to keep you there by cloaking the exits.



Every single time I stop to think of these deployables and I think more and more they are incredlby stupid.

They only last 2 hours so crying as if it is going to be a real problem is pretty silly . So much delicious tears from the poor pirates crying about the MSI. Great change CCP!

CCP should really ban people from NPC corps from posting. This is a clear example of no clue. that should automatically not be listened to.

Read back through the thread. All Lin is doing is repeating "yay pirates have risk" and "adapt or die" or other cliches with little to no substance. She's either a troll or is in some sort of euphoric trance because this particular change would be a big improvement of life for her main. Don't mind her.

Hilarious how willfully ignorant those opposed to these excellent creative tools appear to be.

There has not been one decent argument put forth on how MSI or MMJU is a bad idea at its core. It is about time aggressors had to take some real risks for rewards.

If aggressors want to play it safe and use a scout, they shouldn't cry about their prey having options and opportunities as well.

MSI is biased toward people sitting inside it. Players actively seeking for engagments hardly sit inside things. It's a nerf to d-scan but not balanced with other changes: is nerf to d-scan only for a side the ones roaming around and seeking for engagment; farmers and campers have their d-scan functionalities 100% working as well as as their traditional evading tools untouched.

Sure, you can set a trap inside a MSI, but why someone not activelly searching for a fight should warp inside an obvious trap????

Hell, is not rocket science...

Evidently you don't spend much time in WH space. I agree that it favors "people that use them over people who don't" - but that IMHO favors aggressors more than defenders.

I jump into a system in cov ops, drop the MSI and cloak up. Only people in d-scan range of the MSI (which is right at the new WH, so you don't even know THAT exists if it's new) are aware that anything has happened, or people who choose to keep system-wide combat probes out and scan every few seconds, redeploy their probes every hour or so, etc. etc. - pretty tedious for something called 'a game'.

Meanwhile, I'm using d-scan and my cov ops to - fairly safely - face check any MSIs, anomalies, and celestials, all invisibly, and all pretty engaging. Once that's done, I either have a warp-in on you or I know which of a small number of signatures you're at. That's when I finally deploy combat probes and I'll have you probed down within 30 seconds. That's enough time to alert someone who's monitoring their d-scan diligently - again, is someone saving vs. tedium while I'm Stalking All The Things.

So yes, the MSI will give both predators and prey a tool to help cover their tracks. The point is, finding tracks is something the predator is already good at and motivated to do, while prey HAS to do it but doesn't derive enjoyment from it.

My proposal is not to scrap the MSI; rather, please take a look at giving prey tools to make their lives engaging as well. For example, make a one-shot 'scan monitor' or something, similar stats to the MSI, lets you configure a whitelist of things to ignore and plays an audio (hah, Eve has sound?) and some kind of UI alert when something new shows up. It can never replace scouting, keeping eyes out and ears open, etc. but it could make those things *easier and more fun* at some material cost.

Lets sum up shall we?

All solo roamers are now going to be obliged to fit an expanded probe launcher, horribly gimping any combat capability.

Meanwhile bears will be able to use a MJD without even having to bother fitting one to their ship!

I guess if you want to kill a bling pve ship that has gone to the trouble of setting up multiple defenses and maintaining them every 2 hours, you might actually have to do some preparation yourself or bring some friends. God forbid pirates should be challenged in this game, right?

This reaction from the pirate crowd is to be expected. Aggressors have had all the power and have had it easy for far too long in this game, and it can be expected they will say anything to be able to maintain that.

PVErs will likely be emboldened by these new modules to take some risks outside high sec due to aggressors not having every advantage anymore. Good for CCP for adding some much needed balance to the game despite having to rustle a few jimmies.

CCP has a message for those of you who are upset about these great new changes.