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We are getting kited with high damage ammo on high tracking short range weapons.
That was the 3 of 1 race part.
Surely i can use low tracking, low damage long range weapons to respond but they will still kite me to death.

I did read it and my post still stays...
CCP need to adjust ship balance to make the gallente ships make the contact in that situation,
but boosting blaster T2 ammo range is not a solution.

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How can you say that?

The shortest range weapons need to be on the fastest ships. Conversely, all slower ships need have the best midrange weapons. Failure to meet this scenario results in imbalance. Minmatar have been that imbalance for at least two years: they have, arguably, the best mid rage and short range turrets on the fastest ships. The problem is, the other "best" mid range weapon is the pulse laser, which has nothing to do with hybrids or Gallente. The dominance of Minmatar speed and projectile perks and effectiveness goes all the way up the chain: rifter, wolf/jaguar, thrasher, stabber/rupture, vagabond/muninn, cyclone/hurricane, claymore/sleipnir. These are all FIRST PICKS for any pilot who wants to skirmish. Maybe the problem isn't with Gallente ships and hybrids so much as it is with Minmatar ships. What is the drawback for flying a Minamtar ship? In EVE, what is the counter to a Minmatar pilot, aside from a blob? What do I get in any other racial ship line that prevents Minmatar from not only opening a mid range engagement with decent damage, but also prevents him from running away if the fight doesn't go his way? What penalty is incurred for flying the fastest ships with incredibly good short and mid range guns? THERE ISN'T ONE!

How CCP hasn't recognized this is beyond me. You either nerf Minmatar speed, nerf projectile falloff, buff hybrid ship speed, or buff hybrid damage AND RANGE. It's frustrating to see CCP has avoided the range thing entirely as it's easily the largest contributer to hybrid imbalance. Minmatar ships were actually quite balanced PRIOR to the rather insane TC/TE falloff bonuses. Once this happened, they became godlike. I suspect the nerf to nano was thought by many to bring Minmatar ships back in line, except the nano nerf affected EVERYTHING. If you take everyone down a few notches equally, then the guy who was on top prior to the nerf IS STILL GOING TO BE ON TOP. :\

The only impression I've received from CCP regarding the above suggestions is they're afraid the balance of power will just shift to the other end of the spectrum. Let's assume for a moment, that we gave null 50%/50% bonuses to optimal/falloff. Let's ALSO assume that we increased the base stats of hybrid turret optimal/falloff by 50%. This would put blaster effective range in roughly the same area as scorch. Assuming this happened:

Minmatar would STILL have:
-fastest ships
-cap free guns
-alpha

Amarr would STILL have:
-incredible EHP across the board
-instant ammo swap
-dominant optimal

Increasing blaster range does NOT radically shift the balance of power. It does NOT obsolete the appeal of other ships. All it does is give Gallente hybrid users a fighting chance, and it actually gives Caldari hybrid ships an amazing new role. Yes, I realize the Merlin/Moa//Ferox/Naga/Rokh would be pretty fearsome (although, don't forget they don't get a hybrid damage bonus). Rightly so since they're the slowest ships in their respective classes. And really, wouldn't it be a nice change of pace to see a pack of these once in a while?

All this really does is increase hybrid ship popularity SOME, but not a lot. Isn't that the direction everyone wants to go?

thank you for updating the OP

hope you had a good vacation

yes, yes, yes. excellent summary. my suggestion is to focus on:

- hybrid ammo (t1 and t2), especially for blasters; null buff and/or scorch and barrage nerfs are needed; my vote is for former
- medium rails: these guys are still quite hard to fit, and they could comfortably do with a further buff to damage along with ammo buffs
- hybrid ship bonus tweaks (the Deimos especially, as the rail Deimos significantly more inferior compared to its counterparts); a good comparison is rail Deimos vs. pulse Zealot - Zealot with Scorch loaded wins at range, Conflag or multifrequency wins at close range by a long shot; why fly the Deimos? you get the idea.

active armor vs. passive armor tanking changes will take a lot longer than the options above.

thanks again, we'll let you get back to work now

Hi Tallest :)

Thanks for the update. I like communication and i really enjoy each response :)


webifier range sounds sweeeet :>

he said over the upcoming WEEKS/MONTHS. i hope hybrid ammo changes and individual ship tweaks make an appearance on sisi within 2 weeks. this stuff is super easy, just a bit of math.

things like propulsion mods, EWAR drones rig tweaking, armor tanking will require more testing.

Well, I hope CCP is not going to limit scorch range. Scorch is the Amarr version of stasis webifier. Once it's gone or dramatically reduced. You'll quickly find that Amarr ships are not even on the same level as Gallente ships + Hybrid turrets and even less so compared to Minmatar or Caldari.

Although, if they did do this. Then you would only assume barrage and Tracking enhancers range would be reduced too. With tracking computers or tracking enhancers being the only counter to any reduction in scorch range.

I can only see a more homogeneous landscape to come out of this. Something a part of the community says it does not want, but instead of increasing blaster range. CCP may just start reducing auto-cannon and laser range.

Like I said. This will only show how SH!T Amarr ships and turrets truly are. Again! Kinda like how most believed blaster were good, but that was because of one module (stasis webifier).

I know for a fact most solo pilots do not find Amarr ships to be good solo. If they're not good in that niche and not in fleets. What use are they? Mining Abaddon, with guardians repping incoming rat damage?

Welcome back Tallest. Will be interested to see what further tweaks and modifications you come up with in the next weeks/months; there's definitely a lot of feedback in this thread to mull over. I'm also confident that the community would be just as eager to give feedback on future changes, so don't be afraid to share the burden. Throw some stuff up on the test servers and let us bash it around Even if it seems crazy at first, we will be more than eager to run it through the grist mill for you.

It is refreshing to see the dramatic increase in communication from CCP to the community and the efforts to constantly improve/balance the game we both love. Keep it up!