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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1021 - 2013-12-20 23:04:54 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
I realise that just yapping insults is easier than accepting you're wrong, but you should try both some time.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null.

Goons, always falling for the predictable troll.

Like Boat

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1022 - 2013-12-20 23:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
That's one solution. Pretty **** move though. Other solutions would be to find quiet systems in our own space to rat anoms (decent isk, but not the billions and billions easy like IZ keeps telling us about), or make an NPC alt character to do L4s in highsec (in other words, barely requiring any attention spent).

EDIT: Or, we also could run sites in hostile space. Which is what I've been doing. Ghost sites are easy and quick. The only problem is they're also rare.

What do you mean, I thought they were all over the place just waiting for you to farm them

go back to progodlegend's renters' space for a few hours and don't come back until you have a titan

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1023 - 2013-12-20 23:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
That's one solution. Pretty **** move though. Other solutions would be to find quiet systems in our own space to rat anoms (decent isk, but not the billions and billions easy like IZ keeps telling us about), or make an NPC alt character to do L4s in highsec (in other words, barely requiring any attention spent).

EDIT: Or, we also could run sites in hostile space. Which is what I've been doing. Ghost sites are easy and quick. The only problem is they're also rare.


It's not a **** move.

EVE is open space.

There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Again - use the map feature. Most of null is 100% empty. The sites can and do offer more rewards than L4 missions for the amount of time spent. Use your brain, and get the good farm.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1024 - 2013-12-20 23:10:13 UTC
hahaha you wanted to fight for space that you could earn money in, you shouldn't have bothered, just rat everywhere

don't you know the sov game is meant to be pointless
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1025 - 2013-12-20 23:12:56 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1026 - 2013-12-20 23:13:48 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.


"For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums."
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1027 - 2013-12-20 23:15:13 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.


"For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums."

"I don't actually read posts, instead I make up whatever I think might be in them and form responses accordingly."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1028 - 2013-12-20 23:16:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.


"For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums."

"I don't actually read posts, instead I make up whatever I think might be in them and form responses accordingly."


Want some cheese with that whine?

You're complaining about how your little island of safety feels crowded and how oh so mean and horrible it would be to undock and farm the vast empty swaths of nullsec Roll

Boohoo.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1029 - 2013-12-20 23:18:58 UTC
there should be no reason to take systems

structure grinding is its own reward, and multiple timers are the icing on the cake
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1030 - 2013-12-20 23:20:12 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.


"For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums."

"I don't actually read posts, instead I make up whatever I think might be in them and form responses accordingly."


Want some cheese with that whine?

You're complaining about how your little island of safety feels crowded and how oh so mean and horrible it would be to undock and farm the vast empty swaths of nullsec Roll

Boohoo.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the part where I said I already do that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1031 - 2013-12-20 23:24:10 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.


"For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums."

This is pretty hilarious. I was wondering why there were so many sites available in Goonspace and assumed it was because they were afraid to leave their hubs but its actually because they're constrained by their own politics :)

But yeah it doesn't stop them from going to the other side of the map, sort of ironic that the best (imo) NPC's are denied Goons because they took the space that holds them and have way too many people in CFC. Best NPC's as in I don't like Bloods, Angels or Sansha and the Ishtar is the best plexing shp and has perfect resists for Goonspace plexes.. + Vindicators BPC are pretty sweet drops.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1032 - 2013-12-20 23:34:05 UTC
those stupid nullseccers don't realise that when one alliance's space is not enough to sustain their members, they should open up their space to blues so that five alliances' space won't be enough to sustain five alliances' members, which is a far better system

or perhaps the coalitions don't hold enough space yet
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1033 - 2013-12-20 23:37:03 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.


"For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums."

This is pretty hilarious. I was wondering why there were so many sites available in Goonspace and assumed it was because they were afraid to leave their hubs but its actually because they're constrained by their own politics :)

But yeah it doesn't stop them from going to the other side of the map, sort of ironic that the best (imo) NPC's are denied Goons because they took the space that holds them and have way too many people in CFC. Best NPC's as in I don't like Bloods, Angels or Sansha and the Ishtar is the best plexing shp and has perfect resists for Goonspace plexes.. + Vindicators BPC are pretty sweet drops.


Better to be seen by your allies, as standup fellows who won't cause drama, than total dicks that steal income from your ratters. Please show us more insights into your political theories on how to get along in nullsec.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1034 - 2013-12-20 23:39:07 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
those stupid nullseccers don't realise that when one alliance's space is not enough to sustain their members, they should open up their space to blues so that five alliances' space won't be enough to sustain five alliances' members, which is a far better system

or perhaps the coalitions don't hold enough space yet


this might have a shred of merit if nullsec was packed or something.

considering its nearly empty and nowhere near saturation, it's irrelevant. it's like talking about overpopulation when you already have a 10:1 food surplus.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1035 - 2013-12-20 23:40:21 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
this might have a shred of merit if nullsec was packed or something.

considering its nearly empty and nowhere near saturation, it's irrelevant. it's like talking about overpopulation when you already have a 10:1 food surplus.

This might be news to you, but we're deployed.
Nobody's doing much ratting right now (if they are, their corps probably aren't too happy with them).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1036 - 2013-12-20 23:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
James, don't buy the premise of the fabricated argument. Even if you were the only person logged onto TQ for a day, the loot posted as "what I made in an hour" would be an exaggeration.

They're too dumb/too stubborn to realise very basic logic proves their argument fallacious, so they're running in circles trying to create reasons why they got results you "can't" repeat.

What they're arguing isn't even important to them anymore, because they know all they're doing is flailing their arms in a ****** internet one-upmanship argument so they can save face over having measurably ****** opinions they can't back up. Note: how they ignore the problems with their argument when you point them out. They know they're doing it.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1037 - 2013-12-20 23:43:01 UTC
I forgot to mention that Digi is like Santa. He knows what you do, in fact the NSA comes to him for tips.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1038 - 2013-12-20 23:44:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
this might have a shred of merit if nullsec was packed or something.

considering its nearly empty and nowhere near saturation, it's irrelevant. it's like talking about overpopulation when you already have a 10:1 food surplus.

This might be news to you, but we're deployed.
Nobody's doing much ratting right now (if they are, their corps probably aren't too happy with them).


it's been this way forever. i didn't even notice the difference between "deployment" and "undeployed."

it has never been near saturation, ever. maybe select few systems in particular regions which would be obviously identifiable on the map.

the vast majority of nullsec? empty. again, pretty provable by just opening up the map.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1039 - 2013-12-20 23:44:58 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
James, don't buy the premise of the fabricated argument. Even if you were the only person logged onto TQ for a day, the loot posted as "what I made in an hour" would be an exaggeration.

They're too dumb/too stubborn to realise very basic logic proves their argument fallacious, so they're running in circles trying to create reasons why they got results you "can't" repeat.

What they're arguing isn't even important to them anymore, because they know all they're doing is flailing their arms in a ****** internet one-upmanship argument so they can save face over having measurably ****** opinions they can't back up. Note: how they ignore the problems with their argument when you point them out. They know they're doing it.

I never did buy their original premise. Merely responding to their latest arguments. I was actually going to point out that despite all this, the original point was that the figure quoted for how much he made in an hour only works if you get extremely lucky. There's no steady income stream there, and if there were it would depreciate those items in the market so much that it would cease to be a steady stream.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1040 - 2013-12-20 23:45:04 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.

Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.


"For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums."

This is pretty hilarious. I was wondering why there were so many sites available in Goonspace and assumed it was because they were afraid to leave their hubs but its actually because they're constrained by their own politics :)

But yeah it doesn't stop them from going to the other side of the map, sort of ironic that the best (imo) NPC's are denied Goons because they took the space that holds them and have way too many people in CFC. Best NPC's as in I don't like Bloods, Angels or Sansha and the Ishtar is the best plexing shp and has perfect resists for Goonspace plexes.. + Vindicators BPC are pretty sweet drops.


Better to be seen by your allies, as standup fellows who won't cause drama, than total dicks that steal income from your ratters. Please show us more insights into your political theories on how to get along in nullsec.

Well okay. For starters Failcon. You don't need those guys, they're pretty terrible. Get rid of them, you'll have Branch to share with the others. Stop renting PB, PS, Delve, you guys took it, why should you rent it out. You obviously don't have enough space to carebear in and I bet you're not getting a cut of those 10 billions per system per month right? You did all the work and now that isk is going to fund what? I'm sure they told you its to fund dreads and stuff but we all know where its really going. You're being scammed. I think revolution is in order...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)