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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#1001 - 2013-12-20 18:06:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
As I've said before, it's not about how much money you can make in either place, it's how much effort is needed for a given amount of money.


Eve is a job in your mind right?
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1002 - 2013-12-20 18:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
I love all the highsec publords, spouting off about how every system has a 6/10-10/10 each, and every belt has an officer or hauler spawn, oh and I should not forget that every anomaly will have a faction spawn that doesn't just drop tags and ammo, and will escalate as well. Can you hit the jackpot and make fantastic amounts of isk? Yes, BUT it is like hitting the lottery. All you idiots see is the "winners," because that is what the lotteries want you to see, not the thousands of regular people who all they have to show for participating in the lottery is a non winning ticket, and a litghter wallet.

Those that say that, if we just run more of thos sigs and anomalies that drop the faction and deadspace loot, we too will be rolling in the ISK like that one time they did it. Let me just say that Goons are pretty much a minority in 0.0, in so far as we tend to try to use our space to the fullest. The second ship Theta squad gives to newbies after frigates is a Noctis. That is so the newbie who can't run anomalies yet can still make money by salvaging and looting in anomalies, untill their support skills and such make them able to. LIke some Plains Indian tribe using every part of the buffalo, we too use as much as we can of null space. This is why the Guristas Pirate faction ships/blueprints prices are so low compared to other pirate faction ships, this is why the faction and deadspace modules that come out of our space are cheaper than others. We already have many people rushing to any avalible sight, and we still can't satiate damand, because the spawn mechanics only spawn a few in the entire region at any one time.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Notorious Fellon
#1003 - 2013-12-20 18:26:07 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
I love all the highsec publords, spouting off about how every system has a 6/10-10/10 each, and every belt has an officer or hauler spawn, oh and I should not forget that every anomaly will have a faction spawn that doesn't just drop tags and ammo, and will escalate as well. ....



I can't find a single example of anyone saying this in this thread. Please quote one.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1004 - 2013-12-20 18:33:55 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
We already have many people rushing to any avalible sight, and we still can't satiate damand, because the spawn mechanics only spawn a few in the entire region at any one time.


This is why you can go dozens of jumps through empty nullsec with sigs and anoms in nearly every single system. Roll

It's pretty rare to find a system without spawn.

Also the lottery analogy is stupid as hell. Yes, the payout is variable, but it's not a "lottery." Over time, the payout equalizes to a set number. It's called taking an average.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1005 - 2013-12-20 18:42:21 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
I love all the highsec publords, spouting off about how every system has a 6/10-10/10 each, and every belt has an officer or hauler spawn, oh and I should not forget that every anomaly will have a faction spawn that doesn't just drop tags and ammo, and will escalate as well. ....



I can't find a single example of anyone saying this in this thread. Please quote one.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Which means nothing.
Did you not see or understand the lottery analogy?

No because its not a lottery. The drop rate is too high. I can predict when I go plexing that I will make x amount and possibly y amount. I always make x amount (OE and bounties) which are not random. I can rat in belts or run an anom semi afk while I'm scanning sigs, that's guaranteed income. While the drops may be random they are so consistent I have never returned to high without a billion or 5 in y income as well.

A lottery usually provides you with a very small chance of winning something. Plexes provide you with a very big chance of winning something and getting a guaranteed income as well.

While not outright saying it, (s)he is insinuating that, "Look, they are everywhere when I go out to null."

Keep throwing, something is bound to stick.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Notorious Fellon
#1006 - 2013-12-20 18:47:28 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
I love all the highsec publords, spouting off about how every system has a 6/10-10/10 each, and every belt has an officer or hauler spawn, oh and I should not forget that every anomaly will have a faction spawn that doesn't just drop tags and ammo, and will escalate as well. ....



I can't find a single example of anyone saying this in this thread. Please quote one.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Which means nothing.
Did you not see or understand the lottery analogy?

No because its not a lottery. The drop rate is too high. I can predict when I go plexing that I will make x amount and possibly y amount. I always make x amount (OE and bounties) which are not random. I can rat in belts or run an anom semi afk while I'm scanning sigs, that's guaranteed income. While the drops may be random they are so consistent I have never returned to high without a billion or 5 in y income as well.

A lottery usually provides you with a very small chance of winning something. Plexes provide you with a very big chance of winning something and getting a guaranteed income as well.

While not outright saying it, (s)he is insinuating that, "Look, they are everywhere when I go out to null."

Keep throwing, something is bound to stick.



I think you are reading way too much between the lines. Presenting the extreme to try and bolster your case makes you look silly.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1007 - 2013-12-20 18:47:31 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
I love all the highsec publords, spouting off about how every system has a 6/10-10/10 each, and every belt has an officer or hauler spawn, oh and I should not forget that every anomaly will have a faction spawn that doesn't just drop tags and ammo, and will escalate as well. ....



I can't find a single example of anyone saying this in this thread. Please quote one.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Which means nothing.
Did you not see or understand the lottery analogy?

No because its not a lottery. The drop rate is too high. I can predict when I go plexing that I will make x amount and possibly y amount. I always make x amount (OE and bounties) which are not random. I can rat in belts or run an anom semi afk while I'm scanning sigs, that's guaranteed income. While the drops may be random they are so consistent I have never returned to high without a billion or 5 in y income as well.

A lottery usually provides you with a very small chance of winning something. Plexes provide you with a very big chance of winning something and getting a guaranteed income as well.

While not outright saying it, (s)he is insinuating that, "Look, they are everywhere when I go out to null."

Keep throwing, something is bound to stick.

i suggest you invest in some comprehension skills.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1008 - 2013-12-20 20:38:25 UTC
Oh yeah I remember now

there was that person who insisted everyone could monopolize an entire constallation each by using afk cloaking alts

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1009 - 2013-12-20 22:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Like, just muse this one, he's literally insisting that:

"This screenshot of loot (which I will not in any way try to prove came from actual sites and is any more than a hangar full of loot) is what I made in, like, a whole minute. I pinky swear there's no other way this screenshot could exist. This means it is proof. No, no, see I can hand-wave that it's not even something that could drop in your space and very clearly represents many hours of touring large swaths of nullsec because I said it was like a minute in your space didn't you hear? It's proof"

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1010 - 2013-12-20 22:16:17 UTC
I realise that just yapping insults is easier than accepting you're wrong, but you should try both some time.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1011 - 2013-12-20 22:18:02 UTC
it's not stupidity, it's just propaganda, and laughably invisible at that.

nullsec is profitable enough that they can swindle the idiot-class into paying for "access" to it (which is already free). furthermore, they limit themselves to certain systems, and these people will still come out with a profit.

then realize it's at least 2x more profitable to NOT rent, as you lose all the overhead, and gain the ability to roam and farm in whatever system you want.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1012 - 2013-12-20 22:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Khanh'rhh wrote:
I realise that just yapping insults is easier than accepting you're wrong, but you should try both some time.

You just can't accept you're wrong. Clearly I decided to buy the billions in loot in Jita and take a screenshot. I also must have conspired with the Gurista's, Serpentis and Blood Raiders to allow me to get that loot in space in the other screenshots, probably paid them off with RMT. So much Goon tinfoil in this thread :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1013 - 2013-12-20 22:21:34 UTC
I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1014 - 2013-12-20 22:22:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null.


yes. i was hallucinating when i got my loot in null.

i hallucinated isk right into my wallet, and then bought PLEX with it.

you jealous?
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1015 - 2013-12-20 22:28:04 UTC
Yea, it's totaly not because I can only scan down 1 3/4 regions without tripping on another alliances toes, and oh, I have to share with the other ~10,000 Goonswarm Federation members for that 3/4 of Dekline and ~35,000 others in the CFC for all of Venal that I can scan down, that I can't seem to find complexes that aren't already being run by someone else. Which still means that if you do go out and try to find an unoccupied complex it's like winning the lottery, and you shouldn't count on that as a "normal" income as you are purporting. You on the other hand can go where you please, find times when most of an aliance is in bed asleep, and run through their space and take your time, which isn't a bad gig to be honest. Meanwhile in highsec, you can blitz run L4 missions and never run out of missions,never have to worry about a hostile gang camping you in your agents station, never have to worry about your mission ship getting exploded (unless you pimp fit it with deadspace and officer mods), and make about the same as someone lazy ratting anoms.

So who is being disingenuous here; The one saying that if you find an unocupied complex you've hit the jackpot, or the one saying that the complexes are everywhere and everybody out in null does them all the time like I do?

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1016 - 2013-12-20 22:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Pinky Hops wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null.


yes. i was hallucinating when i got my loot in null.

i hallucinated isk right into my wallet, and then bought PLEX with it.

you jealous?

Yeah, I'm doing the same. I run ghost sites in hostile space, which conveniently gets around the whole "ratting rights" thing we have.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1017 - 2013-12-20 22:36:14 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Yea, it's totaly not because I can only scan down 1 3/4 regions without tripping on another alliances toes, and oh, I have to share with the other ~10,000 Goonswarm Federation members for that 3/4 of Dekline and ~35,000 others in the CFC for all of Venal that I can scan down, that I can't seem to find complexes that aren't already being run by someone else. Which still means that if you do go out and try to find an unoccupied complex it's like winning the lottery, and you shouldn't count on that as a "normal" income as you are purporting. You on the other hand can go where you please, find times when most of an aliance is in bed asleep, and run through their space and take your time, which isn't a bad gig to be honest. Meanwhile in highsec, you can blitz run L4 missions and never run out of missions,never have to worry about a hostile gang camping you in your agents station, never have to worry about your mission ship getting exploded (unless you pimp fit it with deadspace and officer mods), and make about the same as someone lazy ratting anoms.

So who is being disingenuous here; The one saying that if you find an unocupied complex you've hit the jackpot, or the one saying that the complexes are everywhere and everybody out in null does them all the time like I do?

Yup, because you can't make an alt and run combat sites all over null like we do. We must be really sprecial sprecial players. And we don't have to deal with almost every single person in null trying to kill us because we're invisible or have to compete with the same Goons, Razor, Venal residents you do because they all give us first go at all the sites because we're sprecial :)


CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1018 - 2013-12-20 22:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobby Frutt
I wanked it to pornography today while running L4s. As I approached the point of busting, I was able to turn all my focus towards the lady on screen for a good minute. I completely forgot about the L4 I was running.

Could I do that in null? Sure, but my ship would be going "bust" too...
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1019 - 2013-12-20 22:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
If you are worried about the bizarre political repercussions of farming space that your current character is not "allowed" to farm in - the solution is easy.

Use an alt in an NPC corp.

Nullsec abounds with empty systems and spawns everywhere.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1020 - 2013-12-20 22:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
That's one solution. Pretty **** move though. Other solutions would be to find quiet systems in our own space to rat anoms (decent isk, but not the billions and billions easy like IZ keeps telling us about), or make an NPC alt character to do L4s in highsec (in other words, barely requiring any attention spent).

EDIT: Or, we also could run sites in hostile space. Which is what I've been doing. Ghost sites are easy and quick. The only problem is they're also rare.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)