EVE General Discussion

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Last night I went to bed, I left my AFK bombers and me cloaking a constellation in Venal. This morning when I woke up there were *suprise surprise* a troop reinvigoration, a piths penal, ghost site and a bunch of relics that no one had touched because, the constellation is full of my corporation, cloaked.. Could be a trap! Right? Sometimes is, I have Dopa in a smartie Rokh n sit in relics popping explorers if they decide to explore. I can split my SB into twos and pop explorers with bombs. Sometimes its not a trap. But with AFK cloaking, who can tell?

I claim an entire constellation, FREE of charge and the combat sigs wait for me to play. So I ran those 2 sigs, did the relic sites that were worthy. Hardly all day.

So I spent 2 hours playing today, got a Ascendancy Episilon, Wetu Mobile, tried to kill some guy that stole one of my sigs in Outer Ring a few months ago (small world), and a Gila BPC. Not great but a lot better than mining hour after hour or L4's hour after hour running the same boring missions with zero chance at any form of PvP except a gank, zero chance at super great loot like a 1.5 billion invul or a 1.5 billion tower. And tomorrow I'll play again for an hour or so and likely make another 500 mill or perhaps 2 billion.

Oh I might also point out that given I'm currently in Venal and I clear the belts every now and then I have a chance at an Estemal, Kaikka, Thon and Vepas spawn... do you have that when you're mining in high sec or running your 1,765th Worlds Collides?

The isk per hour is far in excess of High Sec, but the fun per hour is infinitely also better. I don't play EvE as a second job to collect pretend money.

Funny, you used to sound like you did exactly that and i said the above, way back in my first post in this thread.
But you are a twisting sort of hard-to-pin-down type, so i guess changing shape to contradict yourself over time serves some purpose.
Once i got to about a billion in wallet plus assets, eve became about what i was doing and who with.
No amount of officer mods can make anybody a trusted friend, any activity is enjoyable when done with friends who are good company. That's why affecting a superior attitude to 7 guys enjoying their orca n barge fleet mining in 0.5 is always gonna be nothing but oddball behaviour, when you're a solo fleet stacking up play money.

Really OP, so many words wasted when all you want to do is feel superior to people you have so little connection to. This fits perfectly the type mentioned in my first post.

I don't care either, but not caring is no excuse for borked and broken game design. Many many people make more isk than I do, when you get right down to it , combat PVE is a "just ok" but grindy way to make isk. Building, researching, trading , manipulating (getting 2 sides to fight then selling both of them guns :) ) is much much better, but i play for fun.

Last night I logged in my Machariel Pilot in null sec and went to doing anomalies in an upgraded system. in an 800 million isk (hull cost) ship. The mach is super good at it and I was averaging 35 mil ticks (105 mil an hour). It was cool, just had to watch local and intel channel like a hawk.

But that same mach in a high sec incursion would have made 120+ mil an hour in a kitchen sink fleet while doing nothing more strenuous than listening for my shiled alarm to go off and anchoring on a dude who typed "aaa" in fleet chat.. Hell, since I fly logi I wouldn't have had to invest in an 800 mil mach or 1.2 bil Vindicator to make that isk, i could just flown a much cheaper basilisk.

In Lanngisi or Osmon it could have made up to 165 mil an hour with that same one ship SOLO selling nothing but Sisters of EVE core and combat probes (as i've been doing for the least 5 years, some nubs think SOE items are valuable because of some gold rush) while not getting ganked because my mission mach isn't blinged out. Even taking sisters and trust partners out of the equation there are plenty of high sec combat pve opportunists that make it basically stupid to risk ships outside of high sec. And that's the problem.



The way it should work is that:

High Sec: can make a basic living but the rewards are dampened because of the trade off that is the game's automatic security measures (CONCORD, crime watch).

Low Sec: Much More risk, so better rewards than what you can pull off in high sec. Still some automated protection (gate guns, sec loss) so not the best rewards, but more than enough to sustain an in-game life without having to go to high sec.

Null Sec: No protection other than what players can provide, so MUCH better rewards, from high end content not available in Empire space.

Wormholes: The extreme frontier of EVE, with the most extreme rewards for the risk and effort involved.



But what actually happens? Well:

High Sec: don't wanna fleet up for high sec incursions (which are an invasion by sansha forces so powerful CONCORD can't stop them but there's enough CONCORD around to still insta pop anyone who shoots another player without a war dec or criminal flag.....) Fine, get standings with either SOE, or Thukker, or learn how to farm COSMOS, and find the hidden gems of extreme isk/lp conversion in other high sec npc corps and screw everything else. Might as well take those isk making alts out of wormholes, low and null and put them in high sec.

Low Sec: lol lvl5 missions and rare spawns in belts and better exploration content... just get cheap ship and orbit button in faction warfare, or better yet, get slightly less cheap ship like Caracal, do FW lvl4 missions that aren't really lvl 4 missions and make at least half a BILLION isk per hour risking at best 25 mil worth of cruiser.

Null Sec:

Wormholes: Juice still worth the squeeze but why am i flying around where I'm likely to be killed when I can just go to high sec of FW low and risk very little?

Broken is broken. I hate to say "back in my day" but yea, back in my day if you wanted null income, you went to null. The game should return to that.

Out of all the NPC null regions, you specifically picked hotspots near where the biggest coalitions in the game are clashing.

If you are dumb enough to base out of there, then I can also see why you would be dumb enough to pay somebody billions for "rent."

No, you can't. Before you completely fabricated your OP to conveniently prove a point you keep making but have no evidence for, did you stop to look at the escalation chance for these?

If you rat 24/7 in a blaster ship doing anoms as fast as possible, you might get one a week on average. It's a very small part of your total income, that's barely worth counting.

Anyway not going to read 45 pages of you justifying "stuff I made up" so just gonna go with "stop making it up plz".

Also CCP know real numbers and balance based on it, so exactly who are you trying to convince?

Like seriously.

My made up numbers show a bigger problem than your made up numbers I really hope CCP is doing something about 4bil an hour risk-free highsec PVE.

This is dumb why do we even have renters.

Lol, yes I can.

Combat sites not anoms. Example: Troop reinvigoration. 50 mill OE. Gila BPC. Multi-hundred million isk mod drops. 1.5 billion Invul. 6/10. 20 minutes.

Ghost Sites - Ascdency BPC's. 2 minutes.

A single good dropping site can put you into the billions. An average can get you 400-500 million.

A crappy one will still make you 100 million off bounties, OE's and a crappy module.

i like how this has turned into a **** measuring contest over whose space is more broken for isk-generating.

Because balance is important, and the original theme of higher risk means higher reward is a good thing. This is why I NEVER advocate for more rewards in null (or wormholes), those aren't out fo whack.

It's high sec and faction warfare that are a problem. I know this because I'm doing both and even though it's personally good for me (making good isk doing missions in Lanngisi and when i can stomach it, making insane LP in a fracking CARACAL as a member of the minmatar militia), it's important to be able to recognize when something is bad and wrong. The imbalance is bad for the game because it encourages people to make isk in safety. As I said, when i started playing in 2007, if you wanted the kind of isk I make right now running missions in high sec (not just for Sisters), you had to go to null.

It's the same reason why CCP fixing the lvl 5 mission bug (that allowed those missions to spawn in high sec) was appropriate as well.

For some people, Good for me = good period and bad for me = bad period. I think that's a morally bankrupt way to think.

i think Jenn is on the money with this one. Infinity, sounds like you have a pretty good thing going there, but please don't try to promote your method as a viable thing for "most" others to do. I have 3 accounts, not 10, so I won't be attempting your... thing... anytime soon.

In my experience, isk/hr is better in high sec. (Not necessarily more fun.) v0v