EVE General Discussion

Usually move my ship with the scout since I just roam around mostly and its a pain to have to go back and then scout back up. With the number of inties flying about can't really red rover around without a scout anymore.




Actually if you look at the OP I specifically stated I was talking about high sec mission income. Having pointed that out multiple times in this thread their insistence that incursions are included despite requiring fleets is pretty childish nonsense.

About the same risk as crazy gankers with crazy alpha. Arguably even less risk for that cloaky T3 even doing anything.

How come just about everybody in Eve seems to make more isk per hour than I do?

One would think that occasionally, by accident, I would make some of the extraordinary sums of isk per hour other folk seem to make.

Oh well, I guess someone has to be at the bottom of the food chain.

Despite, or perhaps because of my corp name, I have never, ever mined, not even once

I do agree that some folk tend to think of a sum they would like to earn per hour, double it, and then post it as real earnings per hour.

Pretty much.

When someone says they usually hit their opponents for 4k/volley, the number they've given you is perfect skills (which of course, they probably don't have), both targets sitting still with guns right at optimal range, wrecking shot, zero resists, plus a bullshit factor ranging from 10-100%

Hey, good for you if you're raking it in! I didn't even see what you were claiming your isk/hr was, or even if you made any such claims. I was just pointing out that a lot of incursion runners and null plexers like to make claims of X isk/hr when that figure is impossibly optimistic and doesn't factor in time spent traveling, hiding from pirates, running plexes with dud drops. The upside to L4s is that when I say I make X isk/hr, I make X isk/hr.

Just a minor nit, but in another thread (the one where you said you were thinking of unsubbing) you said you have 7 accounts. Where you lying then or are you lying now?

Making money isn't the most important part of the game. Why else do big alliances give SRP? Because expecting your soldiers to pay for their own gear is slow and doesn't provide reliable grades of equipment. The romans learnt this 2000 years ago and had a reform that stipulated all soldiers be armed and equipped by the state so that their gear was uniform in quality and the only short falls would be individual skill.. which their formations and tactics were designed to compensate for.

Yes anyone could spend literally days making bank but when a war is on and people need to be running fleets with the known possibility of suffering total fleet losses - then worrying about individual incomes becomes a massive drag on your army. Isk farmers are funny like that. And when the repetition of their lifestyle starts eating at them threads like these are spawned.

The problem is that you don't understand that no one is lying to you. Why would they? The only reason to ly would be so that people DON'T come to null sec and make riches, and that would be stupid coming from people who are in pvp alliances for which more targets/fights/conflict is the reason to play the game.

When we talk about the income imbalance, we're explaining how and why it sucks that efficiency pretty much dictates the use of high sec alts for isk making (like Carmen Electra said, X isk per hour is X isk per hour in high sec). The only (real) reason to do combat pve in null is boredom or you are a professional PVe player just doing it for fun.

When you're doing it to fun other activities like PVP or market-warrioring or to plex accounts or whatever , It's just less efficient to rely on null anoms and random drop plexes that (as you have learned in Catch) that can be disrupted easily than to camp out in someplace like Lanngisi or Osmon (or a cosmos region , or one of the Thukker/trust partner systems, or wherever the current high sec incursions are) and make serious easy and fast bank.

What's worse is the Bil a night I've made doing freaking Faction Warfare lvl 4s in a freaking expendable Caracal, but that's a whole 'nother imbalance going on there (you just shouldn't be able to make that kind of isk and LP outside of a lvl 5 mission , i'm sorry).

I do null sec stuff still because unlike you I actually like farming anoms and find it relaxing though I have to stare at local, intel and d-scan (if you look up the character "Starroad Trucker" you'll notice my latest embarrassing null sec loss lol, left my damn depot and couldn't refit lol). Escalations are cool. But the whole time I'm thinking "i'm risiking a Mach out here, I could be flying a scimi in a TVP fleet, or an unblinbged fleet phoon in a safe lvl 4 and make close to the same isk).

You always talk about how the game was better in the past. Well in this one case I simply thin the game was better when you had to go to null sec to get null lvl isk (ie more than 70-100 mil an hour).

they claimed that running two anomalies and getting a rare faction drop in 30 mins was typical results, earlier in this thread