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I've been ignoring using a alternative character in engagements, but I recently bought a T3 (Loki/Legion) character. The new t2 gang-links is very extreme. Also, CCP has not delt with off grid boosting.

I have, and I'm not seeing the point.

I don't think there's any question hybrid ships have been significantly improved. The problem is the blaster philosophy is flawed and rails still don't do enough damage!!! Even with these changes, I would still choose a Cyclone/Hurricane/Harby over a Brut/Myrm, everytime. As to why, well, I've already stated that at least a dozen times in this thread. And I'm still working on a rather amazing wall of text on the side, since I still haven't heard anything from Tallest regarding the finalization or continuation of these changes. Coming soon.

Nothing has been balanced, as the title of this thread seems to imply. Nothing.

Honestly, the only thing I'm seeing for hybrids out of Crucible is that I'll be able to mission faster. Oh boy.

i would like you to give some context to this. annihilating what exactly with the Deimos, and at what range? what was your fit?

-a blaster Deimos does about 800dps, has about 30k EHP, and goes around 1600m/s....about the same as before; 1900m/s if you do a paper-thin shield buffer
-a rail Deimos does about 450dps without drones, has a little more range than a pulse Zealot, and significantly less dps.

The rail Deimos is still subpar, and rails remain incompatible with a few other Gallente ships, i.e. you cant fit a decent tank. 30k EHP is nothing. it's garbage, when a typical Cane and Cynabal have 50k+ EHP. Drake 70K.

I tested my rail Deimos against a Cynabal and it was pathetic. You can't fit 250mm's, you cant fit TE's, you cant fit tracking computers. Your range is gimped with 200mm's, faction AM, and only 2 MFS.


when it comes to cruisers, rails seem ok only on a few ships. the Ishtar and Navy Vex can now fit a rack of dual 150's, and do some decent dps up to 30km with sentry drones, while retaining 40-50k EHP. the Proteus can fit 250mm's, and therefore do about 500dps at 21+29km with faction AM. which is excellent, but costs half a bill. rail Ferox may have some use as well. but that's about it.

I like Ytterbium's analysis of such things and would love to see CCP Tallest doing the same thing in the future.

Well I also do as I have good drone skills too. But in my experience is not really faster as with turret boats, though more versatile...
Of course, lvl 4's are boring in general, but the unbalance between weapon system still exists. Just wanted to point that out.

Redundant problem, you fit the shortest range weapon system on the slowest boats type between Matari and Wallente.

Either you make the ships with the shortest range weapon the fastest with weak tanks to get in and BAM !!

Or you fail.

Either you give the slowest one the tools to counter the "I shoot you from here" by significantly increase the range where it can apply decent dmg

Or you fail

Damps would definitively help blaster ships if those worked properly.
You need to change the way those can be used, making them like DCU (single) and give to gallente hulls strong bonus (30% per lvl?) to this ewar would avoid Scorps full of those.

You can't just think "that's it, blasters got buffed" because of some tracking and small dps changes because it's not true.
You need to make them a lot bigger or take notice on each and every minus factor that makes those suck and improve it, witch is impossible without buffing all other ships/weapons in game since those mods can be used by each and every one, and that's not tomorrow that you'll see gallente T1 hulls with more than 2 bonus

Yes it will work perfectly in fleets with "human" scouts and FC's and normal level of training.
Highly trained fleets with outstanding scouts create warp ins in no time.

As 95% of eve players are "human" level of pilots this statement is truely correct.

Unfortunetly there are tons of situations where dictating range is pretty easy. The warp to 1,10,100 km makes it pretty easy for any type of eve player of any skill level. Simple station combat can be done from 2 opposite points both in docking range but more than 60 km apart. Pos battle is mostly done from a certain distance. There is also pos warfare in wh-space :p
For WH Warfare T3 Ships are still state of the art.


I'm pretty sure the DEvs are aware of any synergie and problem any of the ships have.
The system is so complex that predicting any outcome will be more than a gipsy and her crystal ball are capable of.
Let's see what this 1st itteration will do and i still think there might be a range, speed buff for one faction or a speed, range nerf for 1,2 or 3 others.

It was mentioned by some of them that scorch / barrage might be to good.

Furthermore not all of the blaster ships do have this problems.
Ceptors and the new destroyer will be fine. There are more yes.
I just think we need a lot of analytics, a lot of communication and a lot of testing, change, testing change.

Kiting Range is defined as the Range you stay out of scrambler and webber range of a recon and keep the target tackled with a disruptor. This is usually 25 to 30 km. Minmatar will use their high damage ammo in this range while most gallente are not able to project damage with low damage ammo at this range.

Getting into scram/web range is brawling range not kiting.

Kiting = you do hit oponent does not hit nor tackle you. You can escape easily while enemy is traped.


Btw.: Blasters never had issues with tracking :p They always had the highest tracking........ Where the hell does the tale of terrible blaster tracking come from. I'm pretty sure people using 400mm signiture weapons on frigates and do blame tracking instead of signiture for the misses.



Good luck getting anythin' in web/scram range.

I do have a feeling that the gallente fix won't be made by a gallente buff more it will be done by a scorch/barrage nerf.
Just a feeling but it is the easiest way for the developers.


There is no best damage projection overall. There is a best damage projection within a certain range.
After the patch. Gallente will have best damnage projection within blaster range and Minmatar within their Projectile Range. That part is fixed, really.

Now we get to the "gray" range problem.
"Gray" range is the range out of webber and scrambler range but still within disruptor range.
3 of 4 races are able to project damage with short range weapons within this area (3 dimensional globe)
1 is not. Possible fix is make 0 of 4 not able to or 4 of 4 able to.

I'm simply not able to understand why the oscar category

a) the fastest ship
b) the longest high damage range
c) the longest scram/web range
d) most agile ships
e) no cap usage on guns
f) most free low slots for range/damage increase
g) enougth med slots to fit tank and utility
h) able to fit a power neut
i) somewhat imune to power neut
j) highest damage on short range weapons AFTER applying possible damage mods. (Shield all low slots -1 vs Armor low slots -4)

are all combined in a single race
making Minmatar need cap for their guns would solve a lot of problems. This is a hughe advantage
You won't fix anything as long as there are suggestions like make it a little more agile but keep winmatar...
They need to loose some oscar awards. The oscar awards should be distributed equal among all 4 races.

Thing is that one get "warp in" bm's the other has "warp ins" to gtfo and one shot or maw two shot each primary target.

Thing is that 2 fleets with normal training level has you state are the best way to see those hybrid changes mean nothing and we're at the same point than before those.

Has I already said, they perform a little better and whenever you find fleets with less training with worst FC's -and there are a lot of those - then sure you'll annihilate everything, but not better or different than you would do with another fleet kind.

They need to give the tools to hybrid platforms and guns to be a choice you WANT in your fleet, like you want autos or arty, like you want tachs or pulse, like you want heavy missile/torps. Actually nothing done in this way, you still don't need or want because of whatever argument blaster/rails ships on your fleet when you still have the best available option if you use lasers or projectiles.

Blasters are not supposed to fend off kiting ships - fit railguns and/or use your drones...

If anything Null is not to blaim for Barrage and scorch being super sweet.