EVE General Discussion

You're talking different demographics here though, Star Trek/Star Wars is too light and optimistic to satisfy the dark minds of the eve player base.

Here's the thing: Unless Goons or any number of nullsec alliances are the 'core' player base (something absolutely no one's numbers support), then this business with build-able gates to newspace is basically a waste of time and resources on the part of CCP.

Another round of layoffs.

Perhaps the 3 year plan isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Which is why Star Citizen (a game with instancing, "private servers" and "pvp sliders" and a less forgiving corporate attitude to what every game except EVE would call griefing) also isn't going to be any kind a threat dispite the repeated proclaimations of some (just look at the SC thread in OOPE, see if you can see any familiar names to this thread lol).

The point is you can use EVE search to find the EXACT same kinds of "omg new game coming EVE is doomed" (from STO, SWTOR, Black Prohecy etc etc etc) thinking which has always proven to be untrue btw, as we have now with Star Citizen, Entopy, Elite Dangerous and now "No Man's Sky".

I just don't know why some people can't grasp the concept. The only thing that ever even slowed down EVE was CCP's missteps, and even if CCP folds EVE would most likely be sold because it's still viable.

Comparing EVE with a game that does not exist yet is stupid.

You cannot compare a game you know very well with a game you only saw some screenshots from. In the end it is the gameplay that makes for a succesful game

I'm not sure why this thread is still going as i'm pretty sure that CCP have said they won't be doing any avatar gamplay for atleast 5 years.

I am of the opinion that Avatar gameplay has the biggest potential to add some exciting content that is dramatically different from anything we have see so far.

Currently CCP are planning on adding new space and i just don't see the point. There is still plenty of stuff stuff to improve in the space we have. Look at wormhole space - that has had next to know content added since it was released.

People kept buggering CCP for avatar gameplay likely from the day EVE was released, I remember seeing posts about it somewhere around 2004-2005 already. And people will keep buggering CCP about it until they do it right.

Why talk about WiS? Because it's better than don't talk about it. No matter how the situation ends, doing nothing is the absolute worst possible case.

Let's say that Valkyrie lines CCP's pockets with money: WiS now, please!
Let's say that EVE spirals down in flames and crashes: We told you so!
Let's say that EVE makes to 20 years without changing nor WiS: would we be any worst than we are now?
Let's say we quit EVE and never look back: we likely will be better than now.

As long as we keep talking we can't lose, and that's something already.

Exploring abandoned Titans and desolate moons around gas giants, walking on a comet to drill core samples and retrieve technology from before the Eve gate closed, I'm there!
There's potential to make mining and manufacturing more engaging as well as looting and salvage.

I envision lots of possibilities. Fighting over capital ship salvage on planets and moons and meteors and comets, capture the flag-style or conquest style or team deathmatch style. Maybe we bring clone vats bays for such occasions so we can spawn lots of times, or a fixed number of times, or just once, depending on what it is we are fighting over?
Interesting to see PVE in this environment. I envision lots of monsters and sudden depressurization and the environment (Titan wrecks in space for example) breaking apart while one are inside it. Comets turning slowly so every x minutes sunlight hits the surface which causes the ice to turn into gas instantly (it becomes like a minefield with sudden geysers). Gravity in wrecks failing so we can walk on floor, walls or ceiling with our suit gravity fields. Fixing the gravity while someone walks on the roof would be fun. Guns and vehicles. Epic arcs would be EPIC. Perhaps with characters we actually form a connection to and care about when they run for their lives from the explosion and don't make it.
I know this all sounds terribly complex to make, maybe the best thing would be to somehow make tools for players to make the stuff in this? A la Spore where everything is made by people, leading to extreme complexity and detail way beyond what the game developer themselves could have ever made.

Whatever you make I'll be excited for it. I just hope you manage to take your time and have the resources you need.

May I also inform you about what makes things funny? Benign violation (google humor theory benign violation). There's a TED talk about it I believe.

For what makes people connect to characters, I have no idea. Whatever the developers of the mass effect series did would be where I started to look if I wanted to find out how to reverse-engineer it.

I see: you mean that we should do as the people who, for years, asked CCP by land, air and sea, to please-please-please implement player built stargates leading to unknown space so the big alliances had more toys to war about.

I recall perfectly the threadnaughts, the desperate pleas, the forum pressure, the CSM campaigning of all the people who has begged, suggested, convinced, forced, CCP to implement the Hallelujah Plan as the players envisioned it...

...because we all are game designers and it is our bloody job to tell CCP what to develop and how and when.

You know, my job is telling Ford that i want a Mustang that does 40 miles per gallon. Making it possible it's their job.