EVE General Discussion

Except that it's not useful for anything more than a barely mobile avatar in a single room.

Now, instead of the regular Sims in space or that stuff can you present any valid addition to game play that could be added using the current state of code or a minor tweak?

All this time post incarna and one single solid idea has been posted, and it was shot down by CCP.

Station D-scan, visit CQ click D-scan on your big screen and you get to see what is outside the station up to the 14au maximum without having to undock using the station's sensors as clearly your ship is in the hanger. Not everyone has got an alt outside and not everyone flies in small gangs with scouts, plus this is really easy to implement within the existing code and is easily supported by the existing lore.

And that would need any Avatar based gameplay how?
It would be much easier just to allow us to open Dscan while docked,

Of course I have it, their financial statements are publicly available on their website.

Here's a summary I made some months ago:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3679134#post3679134





Well, currently SC haves 325,490 supporters, which are more unique customers than EVE haves. And SC aims straight at the core of the following EVE demographics:

- "Casual" players
- Solo players
- PvE players
- Hisec players
- aspiring avatar PvP players
- aspiring avatar PvE players

That's about 60 to 80% of the subscriber base. They simply are too many as to disregard the chances that a fraction of them actually unsub to never come back.

And, of course, there's Elite: Dangerous too.

Well then we are in agreement, as I have always supported WiS as long as it is aimed at EVE players and not at non-EVE players (and not as some half-baked response to a vapourware non-competitor, but that's another story).

I like the side projects though, as long they don't fail so hard that they drag EVE down. Only so much of the Sci-Fi Simulator vision can be achieved within one client.

You are the one twisting the words though. Because I was talking about designing WiS that makes new player interested in Eve as a whole (no, not just in WiS part.)

The way it is designed now - new player w/o guidance gets to run horrendous pve content, gets bored to death in a couple weeks and leaves. If they do not get into pvp by themselves in time, they end up staying carebears or leave the game. Many simply contribute it to the famous learning curve, personally I blame it on poor/outdated interaction design(lacks wis and/or better UI design) & lack of well-developed pve content, which could keep the player interested long enough to get into the core of the game.


Another example: the current system of starting NPC corps - newbies are separated from corporation chat - for the obvious reasons. But in WiS environment recruitment of new players could be done much easier. New player training sessions started by CCP could be enhanced by that also.

p.s. Before someone plugs in "eve is all about PvP" I am going to ask - why add meaningless isk grind then?

The OP of this tread speaks of WIS PvE like extravehicular activity and exploration, if it was done well the PvE of this game would keep new players here much longer. It is also a type of WiS that is not limited to stations, so it would probably work nicely with the sandbox.

you guys are so mean for calling EVE a cult or niche game

I see what you're saying, but I think it's hurtful to say because it's more false than it is true.

So, according to you, people like you are not interested with other games. Good for you and for CCP. But people like you are a minority.

I am the only person i knew 5 years ago who still is playing the game. I've seen many people leave, usually in their second to third year, once they mastered something that was not PvP and found themselves locked in a dead end.

EVE, as most products, haves a lot of wrong customers. WoW haves them too, BTW. The question is, should CCP try to provide the wrong customers with content suit to them? If people are in EVE for something that's not PvP, should they get such content?

The answer is not simple.

IF the game thrives, the answer is "probably not".
IF the game stagnates, the answer is "probably yes".
IF the game shrinks, the answer is "it's too late to question".

And the game is stagnating. It has burned out every non-PvP that could be interested with EVE and now is burning the pool of former customers that could return if they had new toys.

"I played Elite, played Privateer, played Freelancer, played the X-series, what comes next?"

Currently, the only thing it's EVE Online, a game that's unlike those because it's built on ruthless PvP. Either you develop a taste for ruthless PvP or you're toast in a couple of years once you master whatever non-PvP you picked when you decided that PvP was not your piece of cake (not a unusual occurence, since only 27% of players stated that PvP was a reason to join EVE).

People who don't like PvP and avoid it by any means are a majority in EVE. They are CCP's "wrong customers", and what should CCP do about them?

According to a vocal minority, f*** them. Make them quit, let them quit, they don't need non-believers in their little cult game.

According to CCP's stakeholders, keep them paying, their monies are necesary.

According to a few EVE lovers, they should get better non-PvP FiS content, for the good of the game.

According to a few EVE lovers, they should get non-FiS content, for the long term good of the game.

According to CCP, they must provide them more PvP so they "discover" that they like it after all.