EVE General Discussion

My point exactly. CQ is not avatar gameplay; it's a tech demo. Implementing MMO avatar gameplay in an MMO whose engine is built around 1 second ticks is a hard problem.

You're aware that the many improvements to the CARBON engine--you know, the one that runs on 1 second ticks--were made in preparation for avatar gameplay, right? If not, go read some dev blogs. You might also learn that Atlanta had to fork the CARBON engine to get it to work with WoD, which strongly implies that the current EVE engine is not up to the task of doing avatar gameplay well.

I agree that "it's a hard problem" is not an excuse, it is a fact which has to be planned around. This is pretty much what the Atlanta office has been doing.

No I don't, but I do imply that what player base got as WiS on 21 June 2011 was unfinished and poorly thought out.


And I'm glad that you're glad, especially that with my help you could see what you couldn't earlier.
Ok, all those silly comments aside.

You are right, and you could probably see that only after Retribution we went to the same level we were 3 years before (Incursion expansion). For 3 years CCP are trying to fix what they ignored by implementing "new and shiny" every expansion and it will take them probably 2 more years to fix what they should have done long time ago.

I do think that it is a hell of a lot of time and I would certainly like them to work faster, but at the same time I do think that fixing broken stuff is a necessity and it can't be postponed any longer.


Yes, I agree.

And what would you like to see in this pushing growth expansion? Exposition WiS? Shooty WiS? More new space for FiS? Is Seagull's vision has any potential to be this pushing growth expansion in your opinion?


No, according to me WiS is a part of EVE client and until it is a part of said client what is "meaningful" and what is not should be decided by player base of EVE the game, not by some ephemeral players willing to pay for WiS only.

90% of this "potential" customers were probably looking for a shopping mall and stumbled upon your hotel by mistake.


APB's creation/customization system is interesting too, and maybe EVE can learn something useful from it.

And what will they do in this boardroom, walk around and look at beautiful exposition surrounding them?

I would like to see WiS, but bigger rooms with nothing to do in them and a couple of different colored textures that we could squeeze our avatars in is not the answer in my opinion, sorry. But then again if said things were implemented to Rubicon on top of what expansion already delivered I certainly wouldn't object even if I see them as not useful.

Ou, and do you really think that this new boardroom will bring new players who will stay more than for a month in EVE?

Add to that boardroom ability to conjure up the map for all to see as well as highlighting systems (drawing lines, et cetera). Also there could be option to display various stats, corporate hangar inventory and so on and so forth. Stuff that might be of use during meetings - and outside meetings too.

Yes, but are only temporary peaks, we see the good expansion effects on a medium/long term. In example Incursions: the highest peak in EVE expansion but after the peak there's a rapid fall to the usual average. This doesn't mean was a good expansion, but prove it adressed an area felt as important by the playerbase and for this reason generated huge hype and expectations.

But then CCP was unable to deliver it properly or to capitalize on it. But only because CCP did it wrong doesn't mean the need adressed is wrong.

The last expansion able to push a peak and turn it in a stable growth was Apocrypha. After it is all up and down but always around the same average. Yes, Retribution and Rubicon are better expansion than others, Odissey is one of the worst ever, but in the end we're always there.

Periodically mantainence expansion like Crucibble are needed. But if the whole game devleopment is replaced by a simple, never ending maintianence, for years, this only suggests the Company has no more interest or no resources to keep the game alive and growing.

That's my impression. CCP has done one single succesful video game -and what a success has been! But their ability to keep succeeding is being put to test with each themed patch.

Being aware that summer expansions are always weak compared to winter ones (probably because the summer expansion is crafted during the horrible Icelandic winter and that can't be good for productivity), and how CCP already stated that sovereignty will not be adressed for a year, I wonder what will be the outcome of the next expansion.

More reselling the game to existing customers, probably. This and that little odd detail working towards the Hallelujah Plan. And a few more toys to keep you busy for a few weeks until they're digested and assimilated to the daily sh*t (mobitle tractor unit anyone?).

And then... nothing else. Little things, but nothing you can sell to an acquitance in case you hate him enough to lure him to EVE. More of the same one hit wonder with a different arrangement.

I like it. For corporate/alliance/coalition leadership there could also be option to see the locations of properly tagged fleets. Actually, since I don't have background in leading corporation, alliance or coalition it is better if someone who did have that gave suggestions on tools which might make their jobs more productive.

There could be other rooms too. "Battle Room" for teaching, planning and debriefing. Meeting room for negotiations (you don't want to bring neutrals and enemies to place where they could see fleet placements, do you?) and trades. And.... well, imagination is the limit.

There were UI mock ups for a "Corporate Quarters", which I think was an awesome idea. All they would need was a slay table and a load of corporate interfaces, such as war boards etc. A twitch link screen would be amazing so that someone could co-FC from inside the corporate quarters. Or you could have a scout master for large blobs that watched all the streams from the scouts. That would have been fantastic. Awesome photoshop by the way Hemi.


Edit:

From a recent review CCP thought they would post on their facebook page:

keep it up and you'll finish WiS before CCP does

"I used the press images from Dust 514"

I'll just leave this here

So your saying that because you can't catch someone who is alone (read solo) it's a nerf to solo. Also, although it's irrelevant to my point (you just happen to require correcting on it), there is a timer when you deploy the depo. If you can't kill the depo (or the person) whilst it's deploying then your not fielding enough DPS anyway. And if you fail, then good for them (a solo player) for using their initiative.



Of course it can. One person can't make an alliances' POS operations redundant single handedly (that would be stupid), but that one person alone can benefit at the expense of the alliance. Something that largely couldn't be done before. How you could see this as not a buff to solo/small gang play I have no idea. Besides If you had 100 people willing to cooperate efficiently you could bleed every Goonswarm POS in nullsec completely dry. The fact that a force so small could do that to a force more than 30 times it's size can't be viewed as anything but a buff to the little guys.