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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#2881 - 2013-11-14 21:16:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Ho, ho, ho, it's santa with new trailer for winter.

Look at the avatar stuff they serve, together with scenic view of the city. Now that I call cinematic trailer.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#2882 - 2013-11-14 21:27:21 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Ho, ho, ho, it's santa with new trailer for winter.

Look at the avatar stuff they serve, together with scenic view of the city. Now that I call cinematic trailer.


It's a wonderful trailer, but a bit of a cheat as you'll never see ships and avatars move like that in the game client which as per my earlier posts on the subject is highly misleading. It also looks like they are trying to appeal to the starwars fans out there with that flight down the station-canyon etc.

I don't know if you all feel the same but this has got EA stamped all over it.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2883 - 2013-11-14 21:31:44 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Ho, ho, ho, it's santa with new trailer for winter.

Look at the avatar stuff they serve, together with scenic view of the city. Now that I call cinematic trailer.


For fu's sake, they're displaying PODs as glorified cockpits again... There go 10 years of lore, it turns that a neural interface it's too hard to depict on film so let's just scrap everything we used to say, bo-hoo. Roll

By the way, guess who released a launch trailer too? One with actual ingame scenes and content?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#2884 - 2013-11-14 21:33:09 UTC
It's a case where what they're selling and what we're getting are two completely different things. CCP markets avatar content so heavily, but won't actually give us anything there.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#2885 - 2013-11-14 21:35:24 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
For fu's sake, they're displaying PODs as glorified cockpits again... There go 10 years of lore, it turns that a neural interface it's too hard to depict on film so let's just scrap everything we used to say, bo-hoo. Roll


My assumption is this: Capsules were a great way to justify the UI of EVE being as "real" as possible. It fit the lore, and the UI was justified. However, if CCP ever gets off their rear, and evolves this game, the lore will evolve with it. While the capsuleer implants of the current day require pods, eventually, they may figure out how to upgrade capsuleers to the implants that mercenaries have in DUST. Allowing them to leave the capsule, and still, conceivably, be neurally linked to the ship, and able to transfer at the moment of death. This simple evolution of the lore will allow them to move to avatar-based gameplay as needed.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#2886 - 2013-11-14 21:38:29 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Ho, ho, ho, it's santa with new trailer for winter.

Look at the avatar stuff they serve, together with scenic view of the city. Now that I call cinematic trailer.


For fu's sake, they're displaying PODs as glorified cockpits again... There go 10 years of lore, it turns that a neural interface it's too hard to depict on film so let's just scrap everything we used to say, bo-hoo. Roll

By the way, guess who released a launch trailer too? One with actual ingame scenes and content?


As I implied earlier on, the new guy from EA has started work with CCP. Trailers like this with the glorified cockpit view anger me because it proves that CCP are running scared with X-rebirth being launched soon, they even brought the expansion lauch date forward to coincide with it.

I wouldn't normally do this, but I think I will buy X-rebirth out of spite on the 19th and cancel my sub for a couple of months the same day lol!

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2887 - 2013-11-14 22:39:27 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Ho, ho, ho, it's santa with new trailer for winter.

Look at the avatar stuff they serve, together with scenic view of the city. Now that I call cinematic trailer.


For fu's sake, they're displaying PODs as glorified cockpits again... There go 10 years of lore, it turns that a neural interface it's too hard to depict on film so let's just scrap everything we used to say, bo-hoo. Roll

By the way, guess who released a launch trailer too? One with actual ingame scenes and content?


As I implied earlier on, the new guy from EA has started work with CCP. Trailers like this with the glorified cockpit view anger me because it proves that CCP are running scared with X-rebirth being launched soon, they even brought the expansion lauch date forward to coincide with it.

I wouldn't normally do this, but I think I will buy X-rebirth out of spite on the 19th and cancel my sub for a couple of months the same day lol!

I always assumed the entire glorified cockpit thing was just a mental representation, that they are probably in their pod but that this is how they mentally 'see' themselves while plugged in.

Then again, maybe I just have to much imagination.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#2888 - 2013-11-14 22:45:20 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Ho, ho, ho, it's santa with new trailer for winter.

Look at the avatar stuff they serve, together with scenic view of the city. Now that I call cinematic trailer.


For fu's sake, they're displaying PODs as glorified cockpits again... There go 10 years of lore, it turns that a neural interface it's too hard to depict on film so let's just scrap everything we used to say, bo-hoo. Roll

By the way, guess who released a launch trailer too? One with actual ingame scenes and content?


As I implied earlier on, the new guy from EA has started work with CCP. Trailers like this with the glorified cockpit view anger me because it proves that CCP are running scared with X-rebirth being launched soon, they even brought the expansion lauch date forward to coincide with it.

I wouldn't normally do this, but I think I will buy X-rebirth out of spite on the 19th and cancel my sub for a couple of months the same day lol!

I always assumed the entire glorified cockpit thing was just a mental representation, that they are probably in their pod but that this is how they mentally 'see' themselves while plugged in.

Then again, maybe I just have to much imagination.


The lore explains it differently, the original jovian pod with the rubber skull cap for the eyes was a total sensory experience as seen from the camera drone as per the jovian wet grave chronicle.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2889 - 2013-11-14 22:48:34 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Darth Kilth wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Ho, ho, ho, it's santa with new trailer for winter.

Look at the avatar stuff they serve, together with scenic view of the city. Now that I call cinematic trailer.


For fu's sake, they're displaying PODs as glorified cockpits again... There go 10 years of lore, it turns that a neural interface it's too hard to depict on film so let's just scrap everything we used to say, bo-hoo. Roll

By the way, guess who released a launch trailer too? One with actual ingame scenes and content?


As I implied earlier on, the new guy from EA has started work with CCP. Trailers like this with the glorified cockpit view anger me because it proves that CCP are running scared with X-rebirth being launched soon, they even brought the expansion lauch date forward to coincide with it.

I wouldn't normally do this, but I think I will buy X-rebirth out of spite on the 19th and cancel my sub for a couple of months the same day lol!

I always assumed the entire glorified cockpit thing was just a mental representation, that they are probably in their pod but that this is how they mentally 'see' themselves while plugged in.

Then again, maybe I just have to much imagination.


The lore explains it differently, the original jovian pod with the rubber skull cap for the eyes was a total sensory experience as seen from the camera drone as per the jovian wet grave chronicle.

That's what I get for not having read nor memorized lore articles, I assume things I shouldn't... My apologies.

Then again, that describes the original pods, but since I can't remember any lore articles that mention it changed at any point, who know... but again, haven't read nor memorized most of it.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#2890 - 2013-11-14 22:59:31 UTC
The simple explanation is that being submerged in goo in a fetal position with tubes and electrical wiring jammed up your expansion slots just isn't trailer sexy, glorified cockpit is.

But have to agree it's stupid how much they push the avatars in the trailers and then say "nope, no avatar content for you in the foreseeable future."
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#2891 - 2013-11-14 23:02:39 UTC
Maybe CCP's trying to attract enough players who like the idea of avatar content to be able to justify working on it? I don't know. All I do know, is that it's obvious the cinematics team likes avatar content. ;)

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2892 - 2013-11-18 21:37:54 UTC
If you thought that WiS maybe wasn't appealing to a large enough population, you should read this piece on who will actually enjoy the Hallelujah Plan...

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/18/eve-rubicon-sets-up-ccps-greatest-mystery-yet-interview/

New implants, new modules, new materials, to build and use the stargates to BIG UBERSPECIAL NEW SPACE (BUNS), probably by Winter 2014 expansion.

That is, if you're an alliance large enough to afford it, and don't be disrupted by someone else. Preferably an alliance whose nickname starts with a G...

...and the rest of us, oh, we can just keep paying the bills so the lucky 5% enjoys 90% of everything that's to come for the next three years.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2893 - 2013-11-18 22:02:35 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
If you thought that WiS maybe wasn't appealing to a large enough population, you should read this piece on who will actually enjoy the Hallelujah Plan...

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/18/eve-rubicon-sets-up-ccps-greatest-mystery-yet-interview/

New implants, new modules, new materials, to build and use the stargates to BIG UBERSPECIAL NEW SPACE (BUNS), probably by Winter 2014 expansion.

That is, if you're an alliance large enough to afford it, and don't be disrupted by someone else. Preferably an alliance whose nickname starts with a G...

...and the rest of us, oh, we can just keep paying the bills so the lucky 5% enjoys 90% of everything that's to come for the next three years.


Yea, I know. Any semblance of hope has already been killed, skinned, deboned and stamped flat as it is. It can't be any deader anyway.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
CERA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#2894 - 2013-11-19 02:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: CERA Elitist
I hope we get more news on this soon.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2895 - 2013-11-19 04:52:22 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
If you thought that WiS maybe wasn't appealing to a large enough population, you should read this piece on who will actually enjoy the Hallelujah Plan...

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/18/eve-rubicon-sets-up-ccps-greatest-mystery-yet-interview/

New implants, new modules, new materials, to build and use the stargates to BIG UBERSPECIAL NEW SPACE (BUNS), probably by Winter 2014 expansion.

That is, if you're an alliance large enough to afford it, and don't be disrupted by someone else. Preferably an alliance whose nickname starts with a G...

...and the rest of us, oh, we can just keep paying the bills so the lucky 5% enjoys 90% of everything that's to come for the next three years.


Yes. There doesn't seem much for the solo players and small corps in that vision.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2896 - 2013-11-19 13:52:56 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
If you thought that WiS maybe wasn't appealing to a large enough population, you should read this piece on who will actually enjoy the Hallelujah Plan...

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/18/eve-rubicon-sets-up-ccps-greatest-mystery-yet-interview/

New implants, new modules, new materials, to build and use the stargates to BIG UBERSPECIAL NEW SPACE (BUNS), probably by Winter 2014 expansion.

That is, if you're an alliance large enough to afford it, and don't be disrupted by someone else. Preferably an alliance whose nickname starts with a G...

...and the rest of us, oh, we can just keep paying the bills so the lucky 5% enjoys 90% of everything that's to come for the next three years.


Yes. There doesn't seem much for the solo players and small corps in that vision.


Let alone for the hisec queers... Ugh

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#2897 - 2013-11-19 14:18:03 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Yes. There doesn't seem much for the solo players and small corps in that vision.


Nor will there ever be.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#2898 - 2013-11-19 15:50:25 UTC
Well there is, there always is. See, every coalition (that will likely partake in this effort) is composed out of alliances. Said alliances are composed out of corporations - from big mainline hundred/thousand member ones to small, specialistic units (or, in some cases, players are part of the same corporation but separate themselves into special groups.)

Each of those groups or corporations is composed out of individual players that mill about, and on a day-to-day basis do things solo or with their small group of friends. By simply existing in the giant ecosystem that is New Eden, they become a part of the vision whether they like it or not. Success of the big is based on the work of the small folk that carry out their jobs - EVE Vegas had a presentation from one of the GSOL guys talking about running the infrastructure of a null alliance. Good watch there, those guys are amazing.

Sooo Hallelujah plan I'll believe it when I see it but the opening phases of it look nice. Also, I'm curious what they have in store for the NEX revamp - it's kind of clear there's a lot of treading lightly around this area, since people are still burned but there's more and more people actually using this stuff: be it buying for your use, pocket change real money to ISK exchange via Aurum (smaller cost/value than PLEX) or just buying this stuff for ISK in a "hey, that look cool and costs less than a tenth of my next ship I'll welp. Maybe I'll get one and look like the captain of a playboy yacht with my obnoxiously white shirt"

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#2899 - 2013-11-19 17:47:58 UTC
I read the interview as well, from the metagame perspective it looks like CCP are creating new space for the goons as once these stargates are built you will need special ship modifications and implants to access them, meaning that it wont be possible to just fly to a gate and enter it, which further means that you wont be able to claim or colonise the land beyond that gate.

Given that the big powerblocs can easily manage the resources needed to build these gates, the smaller corps and alliances are going to be out in the cold when it comes to entering the new frontier. Didn't the goons have a permanent chair on the CSM? Did he step down? I can't remember but there is nothing much in this for the small corps or solo players.

plus not even a passing mention of avatar content in the interview.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2900 - 2013-11-20 02:25:55 UTC
Managed to get down to the Pod to take a couple screenshots

https://twitter.com/Flamespar/status/402985316828459008/photo/1

I quite like the detail on the side of it

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