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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Trillian Stargazer
Perkone
Caldari State
#481 - 2013-11-08 19:33:00 UTC
It seems CCP is trying to help you out with the live event that took place.
Zheng'Yi Sao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#482 - 2013-11-08 20:13:59 UTC
Trillian Stargazer wrote:
It seems CCP is trying to help you out with the live event that took place.


Link?

"It's funny the things you people think are mandatory for us, as if we don't do what we do because it's a hilarious good time in a space video game." - Johnny Marzetti
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#483 - 2013-11-08 21:07:37 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.

A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.

And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.

Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...



0.7 system, fully-tanked mack with decent skills cannot be ganked by 5 cats.

A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7?


yeah, that would be 10. So you only get 30k of 40k. Mack lives.

No you bring 7 Mack dies.


So how many destroyers do you think it should take to kill a civilian mining vessel? It's already ridiculous that a mining barge can have more EHP than a BC.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#484 - 2013-11-09 14:59:24 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:


So how many destroyers do you think it should take to kill a civilian mining vessel? It's already ridiculous that a mining barge can have more EHP than a BC.

I don't think that is ridiculous as long as it reflects on yield/ore hold.

Btw, I read something about CCP reps hinting on more future changes on the mackinaw. In it's current form they think it's too powerful on several fronts at the same time.

What could that mean? Well, since it was meant as the 'large ore hold afk-able boat' iirc I don't think they'll be changing the ore hold. Lowering naked EHP, don't think they'll do that cuz of bear whining. So that leaves yield. How would that be best achieved? reducing calibration, CPU or powergrid or removing a low slot?

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#485 - 2013-11-10 00:50:51 UTC
Actually, Meilandra, they are on record as saying that the barge EHP buffs went too far, and they need to be downscaled by a fair margin.

They're all going to be taking a hit, not just the Mack.

And thank goodness for that. It's about time that it be not impossible to die if you are awake.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#486 - 2013-11-10 01:00:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Actually, Meilandra, they are on record as saying that the barge EHP buffs went too far, and they need to be downscaled by a fair margin.

They're all going to be taking a hit, not just the Mack.

And thank goodness for that. It's about time that it be not impossible to die if you are awake.


If a barge gets away from you, you suck so hard at ganking. No matter the state of the pilot.

I swear gankers are even lazier than miners.

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#487 - 2013-11-10 01:08:27 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Actually, Meilandra, they are on record as saying that the barge EHP buffs went too far, and they need to be downscaled by a fair margin.

They're all going to be taking a hit, not just the Mack.

And thank goodness for that. It's about time that it be not impossible to die if you are awake.


If a barge gets away from you, you suck so hard at ganking. No matter the state of the pilot.

I swear gankers are even lazier than miners.



No, if a barge gets away from me, it's because he saw the reds pop up in local, and was actually at his keyboard to warp away.

Anyone who is actually playing can basically never die. It's not like we can hotdrop miners, if they see us in local, they have (time in seconds = catalyst time to warp) to be in warp to a station themselves. And that's plenty of time.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#488 - 2013-11-10 01:18:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


No, if a barge gets away from me, it's because he saw the reds pop up in local, and was actually at his keyboard to warp away.

Anyone who is actually playing can basically never die. It's not like we can hotdrop miners, if they see us in local, they have (time in seconds = catalyst time to warp) to be in warp to a station themselves. And that's plenty of time.


So either dont be red, or pay someone who isn't to tackle.

Cloaking IV and frig V are pretty short trains, in a system with crowded local your target may never realize the correlation.

Bonus points for bookmarking with a covops, and then having that "neutral" guy leave local.

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#489 - 2013-11-10 01:28:21 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
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Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. ...

Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.


This is from the first post, written 5 weeks after the OP smartbombed Jita in a Rokh fitted only with bombs, nothing else, no tank or rigs or anything just a bs hull with bombs in the top slots. Idiots in highsec you say?
Killed a rifter and a pod.

The game is fine OP, you are crap. That's an accurate evaluation given the circumstances, don't even bother crying personal attack.





Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#490 - 2013-11-10 01:38:03 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


No, if a barge gets away from me, it's because he saw the reds pop up in local, and was actually at his keyboard to warp away.

Anyone who is actually playing can basically never die. It's not like we can hotdrop miners, if they see us in local, they have (time in seconds = catalyst time to warp) to be in warp to a station themselves. And that's plenty of time.


So either dont be red, or pay someone who isn't to tackle.

Cloaking IV and frig V are pretty short trains, in a system with crowded local your target may never realize the correlation.

Bonus points for bookmarking with a covops, and then having that "neutral" guy leave local.


Psh, why bother exposing a scout as such by using him to tackle when there are so many afk sheep to slaughter? It's not that our job is easy, it's that people make it easy for us.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ulviirala Vauryndar
Vauryndar
#491 - 2013-11-10 08:35:48 UTC
Posting in a thread.
Annathalia Blood
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#492 - 2013-11-10 09:39:36 UTC
Can I have someones stuff ?
Please ?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#493 - 2013-11-10 09:41:34 UTC
Annathalia Blood wrote:
Can I have someones stuff ?
Please ?


You can have mine. Please just send me an evemail and 100 mil so I can have Red Frog ship it to you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#494 - 2013-11-10 09:46:55 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.

You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.

No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.

Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.

This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.

Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.

Very well said. I agree 100%


DMC

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#495 - 2013-11-10 09:48:26 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:


So how many destroyers do you think it should take to kill a civilian mining vessel? It's already ridiculous that a mining barge can have more EHP than a BC.

I don't think that is ridiculous as long as it reflects on yield/ore hold.

Btw, I read something about CCP reps hinting on more future changes on the mackinaw. In it's current form they think it's too powerful on several fronts at the same time.

What could that mean? Well, since it was meant as the 'large ore hold afk-able boat' iirc I don't think they'll be changing the ore hold. Lowering naked EHP, don't think they'll do that cuz of bear whining. So that leaves yield. How would that be best achieved? reducing calibration, CPU or powergrid or removing a low slot?



They have to lower its EHP otherwise the skiff will continue to be pointless.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#496 - 2013-11-10 09:52:34 UTC
it's utterly hilarious that this activity has made mining vessel balance an intensely debated subject.

mining vessel is too stronk lol.

forums.  serious business.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#497 - 2013-11-10 10:01:17 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it's utterly hilarious that this activity has made mining vessel balance an intensely debated subject.

mining vessel is too stronk lol.


Its been known right from the day CCPbuffed barges that the lineup was horribly unbalanced.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#498 - 2013-11-10 10:09:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it's utterly hilarious that this activity has made mining vessel balance an intensely debated subject.

mining vessel is too stronk lol.


Its been known right from the day CCPbuffed barges that the lineup was horribly unbalanced.


my point is that unless you've been recently blobbed by a fleet of mackaniaws then it's practically a nonissue.

though i know barges get used as bait ships a lot as the eve community just can't help themselves!

forums.  serious business.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#499 - 2013-11-10 10:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Skeln Thargensen wrote:


my point is that unless you've been recently blobbed by a fleet of mackaniaws then it's practically a nonissue.

though i know barges get used as bait ships a lot as the eve community just can't help themselves!



The issue isnt these ships vs others, its the barges vs themselves.

The mack and retriever simply out class the other 4 barges.

The mack needs its base tank reduced to that of the hulk and its mining output down to that of the skiff.
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
#500 - 2013-11-10 10:17:33 UTC
WTS Autopilot Licenses

It has come to our attention that you have been using auto pilot without a license. As you are probably aware, auto pilot licenses have been required to use auto pilot since the Pilot Protection Act was signed.
..........
The main reason behind this Act was to help prevent many of the accidents caused from by the use of auto pilot.

If you wish to continue using auto pilot, to you will be required to apply for a 1 year license. The application fee will be determined by the class of the permit you are applying for. The classes are broken down as follows:

----- ----- ----- -----

Class E: Single Member
25 mil

Class D: 10 members or less.
50 mill

Class C: 11 - 25 members.
75 mill

Class B: 26 - 50 members.
100 mill

Class A: 51 - 100 members.
150 mill

Class S: 100+ members.
200 mill

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it will only protect you from high sec ganking. It will not protect you against wars or low sec roams.

If you wish to apply, send the application fee to Mr Vrix , with the class you are applying for in the description. Your application fee will be processed within 24 hours, and you will receive a confirmation mail when it has been accepted. All questions and comments can be sent to ST0NER SMURF

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