Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh those were the days with the error screens popping up when you were mining in your Probe. Those roids had issues, the stations had issues, hell even the Docking Manager had an attitude problem

Well, since you're OBVIOUSLY an expert in top end server hardware, what do you suggest?


And if you think there are games that can host four thousand plus people in one fight with no lag, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Ill call that bluff . . . which games?

farm ville jk open sim open source of what second life. I like the entire spider clustering

This coming from a person who probably doesn't code [professionally] or understand server load and single-shard environments.

Pre-Tidi was significantly worse.

Now, since my grandfather walking 10 miles, barefoot, uphill, thru the snow (both ways) to get to school has absolutely no relevance to the price of rice in china (i.e. your current gripe about tidi/lag in general)...

The obvious short-term solution was to encode hard limits as to the number of ships/objects in a system. That wouldn't work in the current single-shard deployment (imagine fleets being outnumbered 3-1 and not being able to call backup, or being blocked in a pipe w/ no way to get thru/out). Also, players would rage/quit.

TiDi was not a panacea (as some might believe), but an immediate workable solution to mitigate (not fix) some (not all) of the underlying issue until CCP can deploy a more permanent solution, which will most likely be a significant change to the entire game infrastructure.

That being said, if you truly want to have significant impact on the game, try offering viable solutions instead of griping about the quality of the host or programmers. I know its a lot of effort to actually research a topic until you can talk about it educatedly. But your arguments will carry more weight and might actually get taken seriously.

Rofl@ all the people who are acting as if CCP don't realise that multithreaded is the best way forwards. Some guys are acting in this thread as they believe CCP are completely clueless when it comes to hardware. They are clearly overhauling code as they go, it's just not a quick fix.

Wasn't that 1700 people on an unreinforced node, with ships cynoing in and out constantly? Entering and leaving a system being about the most resource intensive thing it is possible to do in this game, server wise?

I'm fairly sure all your talk of hardware usage would require a complete rewrite of the game's code from the ground up, which is not an easy thing to do.

I'm not entirely certain what the rest of your post is supposed to be about, or your previous one. Did you really just call second life, which is unplayable with fifty people in a sim, a good example of a game that can handle thousands in one place?

Do you really think that everyone in SL is on one server fragment?

Also, that's your big 'bigger than EvE' game? Really?

You clearly don't understand what it is the servers actually do. In fact you clearly don;t understand much at all.
My favourite part is the bit about 64bit. You realise something being 64bit merely affects things like native variable lengths and address space. 64bit is not a magic sprinkling of fairy dust that makes it suddenly faster. For the most part, with EVE not generally exceeding 1gb of memory, there is no difference between a 32bit or 64bit client.

Look, the simple fact is this:
What CCP are doing has not yet been done. While there are several games that host 4000+ people there are none that support 4000+ people all interacting with each other in a single area in real time. There's a massive amount of data that needs to processed, and not all of it can be done across threads, some of it has to be sequential. Sure, their code could be reworked to work better with multithreading, and as far as I know they are working on it, but it will not be a quick fix.

Now what they do have for now is a monster server which handles reinforced nodes. They supply an easy way to announce a fleet fight before it happens which will then allow them to move the system onto the reinforced node, allowing th make 4k players to play without too much freaking out. What happened here though, is nobody told them, so you ended up with 1700 people on a regular server with other systems. At that point all they can do is disconnect the other systems and move them onto other nodes, but you're still pushing a regular node too hard, so it dies.

So in short, they are trying to make it better, they've given us a method to get the most out of a fight, and if we don't use it it's our own damn fault when the node dies.

It is quiet easy. TIDI is a direct result of some ingame factors. TIDI itsselve is now a back gamemechanic but the gamemechanics that lead to TIDI are teriibly bad and caused many old vets to leave EVE.

Bring smaller bobs: The problem is the force multipliers, supers and capitals.

Example:

• If one side brings a 200 man battleship fleet, a opponent can simple bring 12 spider carriers. Thats 200 ppl countered by 12.
• If one side brings a 400 man battleship fleet and 24 spider carriers, a opponent can simply bring 15 moms, 5 **** and an 80 man ahac fleet. Thats 424 countered by 100.
• If one side brings a 1000 man battelship fleet and 100 carriers, a opponent can simply bring 70 moms, 40 **** and a 200 man ahac fleet. Thats 1100 countered by 310.

There are lots of resons and fingers to point to how EVE got to this but this causes TIDI and means less funn. You can compare the situation to the golbalisaion of these days where companies have become soo big that they have abosulute power and controle. (and if they hvnt, they just take it)