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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Clyde Belvar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2013-11-05 15:06:25 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.

This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.


he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.



Then why aren't people just hiring escorts?

Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely?

If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them.



So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-11-05 15:08:32 UTC
Clyde Belvar wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.

This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.


he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.



Then why aren't people just hiring escorts?

Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely?

If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them.



So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me


Yes , cause lets invent a new past time more boring then mining... ESCORTING (unless were talking about the other escorting, didn't know you were into that)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#103 - 2013-11-05 15:11:24 UTC
I don't often gank.

But when i do, I use my main.

More seriously ganking was easier in the past, not harder. You can't make a huge number of alts without spending more than you would get from just using that RL cash for plex. So you have alts that gank. Then you have kill rights on them etc.

Also IP stuff won't work either. Its trivial to have VPN setting etc so you can have 3-4 different IP numbers. I have 3 from this computer right now.

I got ganked in RL this year. 3 broken ribs and a broken laptop. I got over it. The amount of tears over space pixels is hilarious.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#104 - 2013-11-05 15:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Winter Archipelago
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.

There's your problem: Highsec isn't safe, there are just consequences for opening fire on someone without having bribed CONCORD to look the other way.

As for not being able to autopilot? I was doing it constantly, even in industrials carrying around 50-100m ISK in cargo, for about a week (moving my base of operations closer to the FW zone, prior to actually joining FW). Never once got shot at, and I probably made around 20 trips.

Not one single problem in over 400 jumps.

Shalua Rui wrote:
As I said: One IP per person, and all accounts played from that one IP have the same reputation/sec status... but since CCP profits greatly from mutliboxers, it would never happen.

Neverminding the fact that having multiple IP's is pretty damn easy, I would probably quit over that: I've gotten back into FW, and I have no doubt my sec status is going to be dropping on this char, but there are times I'd like to simply step away from that, relax, maybe just shoot the **** with some mates. When I want to do that, I'll hop on my alt, run a few missions, do some industry work, or other things that are more low-key.

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Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#105 - 2013-11-05 15:14:48 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Clyde Belvar wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.

This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.


he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.



Then why aren't people just hiring escorts?

Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely?

If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them.



So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me


Yes , cause lets invent a new past time more boring then mining... ESCORTING (unless were talking about the other escorting, didn't know you were into that)


The point is that it WON'T be boring unless you don't NEED an escort. IE, gankers are going to gank. They don't need to know you have an escort until after they shoot you. Or, like they said, the escort could gank the gankers before they get you. Scout ahead, see gankers, kill them, then you go through. Etc.

We can make this fun.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2013-11-05 15:16:14 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win.

Off-topic, about a decade ago, I remember reading a story how six gang bangers thought that lone man minding his own business was an easy mark.

Afterwards, there were three dead, two hospitalized, and one traumatized.

Turned out the lone man was a Marine drill sergeant. Twisted

dad i told you to stop forwarding these emails
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#107 - 2013-11-05 15:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
It doesn't require any skill or brainpower to PvE in highsec, why should it be the same for PvP? Enjoy your themepark, carebears, you made it what it is today. By using new players and "Fairness" as an excuse to have highsec aggression nerfed, you have insulated your 5-year old PvE alts from war decs, ninjas and can-flippers, prompting them to look for other ways to be belligerent undesirables, as the Marmites call it.

After two years of repeated strengthening of concord and nerfs to aggression under the guise of promoting more pvp, all that's really left is awoxing, bumping and suicide ganking. The first two will probably go away at some point, but the third will remain just because of CONCORD being such a recognized staple of EVE.

CONCORD will keep getting buffed, I'm sure, and suicide-ganking will go from a profession to a punishment as CCP have said, but the diehards will keep figuring out ways to make it happen. Even without a payout, it will continue as a fun pastime. Do you seriously think Goonswarm or Code will never gank another miner if CCP announced tomorrow that CONCORD would blow up any and all wrecks and loot produced by a gank and any ship that loots/salvages them?

No, like you the undesirables have alts pouring in isk for a steady supply of gank-ships. They are but the flip-side of the same coin, using the same methods and mentality as those who profess to despise them. In the past, this group was somewhat dispersed among ninjas, can-flippers and war-dec ransomers.

But that's been taken away. Now they're all funneling down into ganking and you're surprised to see such a resurgence of throw-away destroyer alts? Many of the undesirables do what they do because they didn't like carebearing or the joke of station games/blobs/structure grinds that's "Real PvP."

Some of them undoubtedly quit. Mission accomplished, pat yourself on the back CCP you've sold more highsec accounts to botters, multiboxers and macro-users and have inflated PLEX to three times what it was two years ago, but others have taken it under the chin and turned to other ways to keep playing the game they love. They're playing the game that the community has created, and if the community wants nothing but suicide alts reminding them of their mortality, who are you to complain? It's their play style.

Fun fact: if a carebear ever begins a statement with, "All play styles should be valid in EVE," they're really saying, "I don't want to have to deal with other people in a multiplayer game." Do I hate people who PvE only and never PvP? Of course not. It's their choice.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#108 - 2013-11-05 15:28:50 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Clyde Belvar wrote:
I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.

Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it...

...but there are enough people in this game that are completely fine with that, so. *shrugs*


3 of my friends were like "F THAT your a masochist" .. and i had no rebuttal... cause whips and gags and stuff


Sasha Grey sighting *confirmed*

Thank me later :D
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-11-05 15:30:18 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
Speaking of which… Is it just me, or does Michiko's avatar look a little bit too much like Sasha Grey to be a coincidence?

Hard to tell since Reika Michiko still has clothes on...

...oh facial features? Yes, there is a resemblance. P
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#110 - 2013-11-05 15:30:42 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Guttripper wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win.

Off-topic, about a decade ago, I remember reading a story how six gang bangers thought that lone man minding his own business was an easy mark.

Afterwards, there were three dead, two hospitalized, and one traumatized.

Turned out the lone man was a Marine drill sergeant. Twisted

dad i told you to stop forwarding these emails


Also, Marine Corps Drill Instructor*, not Drill Sergeant [Army] ... and stuff \o/

Thank me later :D
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#111 - 2013-11-05 15:37:56 UTC
Lol just fit a tanky punisher and laugh at how you have half armor when you come back from afking.

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-11-05 15:42:44 UTC
Clyde Belvar wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.

This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.


he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.



Then why aren't people just hiring escorts?

Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely?

If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them.



So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me


Actually I like this. We play in a universe akin to the "wild west," so someone riding shotgun makes perfect sense to me. We have transport companies, now we just need armored car companies. +1 for a good idea.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2013-11-05 15:45:05 UTC
Look, all I'm saying is that I should be able to autopilot billions in cargo all over highsec between my very important elite PvP engagements. I am very inconvenienced by the type of gameplay some of you are engaged in, here.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-11-05 15:46:48 UTC
Tears from a vet? Time for a new computer perhaps?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#115 - 2013-11-05 15:46:52 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
Clyde Belvar wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.

This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.


he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.



Then why aren't people just hiring escorts?

Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely?

If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them.



So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me


Actually I like this. We play in a universe akin to the "wild west," so someone riding shotgun makes perfect sense to me. We have transport companies, now we just need armored car companies. +1 for a good idea.

What you really mean by armored car is an ubertanked freighter

concord is the police

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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2013-11-05 15:47:47 UTC
*giggles* Roll
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#117 - 2013-11-05 15:50:13 UTC
Tears for Fears?

Tears in Heaven?

~C'mon baby dry your eyes...~
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#118 - 2013-11-05 15:51:44 UTC
Yeah, ubertanked freighter just means that you won't get shot at.

And move slower.

I'd rather have an escort kill everything for me.
Anslo
Scope Works
#119 - 2013-11-05 15:52:38 UTC
Doesn't like low sec empty
Blames high sec
Ganks high sec to bring threats to them
Makes low sec more empty

Ganker logic.

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2013-11-05 15:54:14 UTC
Oh, and just so we're clear, running anoms in the worst truesec ass-end of Fountain is engaging in elite PvP all over null.