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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#81 - 2013-11-05 14:19:25 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.

In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities.

I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turned into rubbish in 2003 because it's always been this way even if I can't understand why.



Fixed.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#82 - 2013-11-05 14:20:33 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Clyde Belvar wrote:
I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.

Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it...

...so, yea, either a) CCP completely breaks the game for gankers at some point, or b) lives with what they have got, and probably loose more players in the future. *shrugs*

There are enough people in this game that are completely fine with the latter option, though.



Well...how many potential players are put off by hyperbole and rhetoric of gankers at every undock, and probably hiding in your captains quarters waiting to gank you when you sit down to watch some pr0n?

I hear that as soon as you jump through a gate, you get ganked, and that everyone always steals all your stuff and screws you over...no wonder players are put off by hearing this....if it were actually true then the population of afkers in eve would be way lower and we would have no freight transport services, and I would probably be much richer through collateral payouts.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#83 - 2013-11-05 14:21:46 UTC
I agree that the AP gank is highly annoying, especially if your FC decides you need to be 20 jumps away and you have to manually jump the whole frikkin way.

so you can jump 8 light years across low/null instantly.

and attention paid = 0. i just sit reading forum/news/mittani and cick jump to the yellow gate every time i hear a session change.

forums.  serious business.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#84 - 2013-11-05 14:22:21 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win.

Off-topic, about a decade ago, I remember reading a story how six gang bangers thought that lone man minding his own business was an easy mark.

Afterwards, there were three dead, two hospitalized, and one traumatized.

Turned out the lone man was a Marine drill sergeant. Twisted


Also off topic, but I actually know of a marine drill sergeant who got his ass royally handed to him (permanent injuries and disfigurement) when he got jumped by three gangbangers. They just destroyed him.

Because real life is nothing like the movie you just watched. That marine drill sergeant fought back and got stomped for it.

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Prince Kobol
#85 - 2013-11-05 14:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Clyde Belvar wrote:
This game is becoming unplayable because of ganking happening right now.
2 years ago when i started playing with my main char i didn't see nearly as much ganking as it is now.I was on my eve brake for 4 months,now recently i came back and game is completely changed,which shows that there is a serious problem of people exploiting game mechanics.
Now you see gankers everywhere,ganking mission runners,ganking miners,setting up gate camps in cheap ass ships in hisec and camping stations all day.
You are not even safe in pod since there will be some ass who will kill you anyways.
This character i made for trading and manifacturing,now i can't even move my stuff around because i know someone will probably gank me,it doesn't matter what ship i fly,indie freighter they can be shot down in seconds,and i am never autopiloting.
I lost more isk in 4 days then my main char lost in 2 years living in lowsec nullsec and wh's,how can it be right?

Worse thing is that there are no consequences for gankers,yeah they might get kill right on them,but they will undock in shuttle and get it off.
Gankers should be charged for crime they do,something like 50% of total isk lost they should repay to victim.So if 2 catalysts destroy hulk they wallets go negative 50 mil each,and if they don't have isk wallet goes -50 mil.Why not make ganking more hard?

I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.



Wow, you see I have the total opposite experience.

I have been ganked twice in my life when I first started playing Eve and both times it was completely my fault. It was nearly 3 years ago now.

Since then I have moved 100's of billions of isk worth of crap thoughout all of Eve, that include all area's of space and I have never lost one ship to gank..

So whilst some say it never been this bad, because of my own experience, I just go along with you were stupid and now are crying about it.
Linna Baresi
#86 - 2013-11-05 14:23:07 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Clyde Belvar wrote:
I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.

Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it...
[...]



This is something I can confirm. I've been playing MMO's for over a decade, and whenever you hear something about EVE in other games, it's always, without exception something bad, and people actively warn you to never, ever play it. Which results in potential players, even those who love SF and spaceships, avoiding it like the plague. Interestingly enough, this includes people from some extremely harsh PVP games. So before anyone comes with that reply, no, it's not a 'carebear' thing.

Member of since 2003 fated.europefreeforum.com
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#87 - 2013-11-05 14:24:34 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CMD Ishikawa wrote:
"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold"
"The strong should profit and the weak should not"

Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ...

I was flying around in null with it all day, that's what makes me strong, I'm not a risk averse girlfriend like you that flinches at the thought of loss.

And maybe instead of asking someone to gank me, you grow some and get in a ship yourself?


Wait, flying through null makes you "strong?"

Holy ****, someone call E-UNI, they're one of the strongest corps in EVE . . . they roam through null like every other day, and even have a STRONG CAMPUS there!

Also, regarding your earlier post, please provide me with the fittings for the 2 million isk Catalyst you are so scurred of. I'd love to fly one, but can't find modules that cheap.

I am not an alt of Chribba.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-11-05 14:25:32 UTC
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Also off topic, but I actually know of a marine drill sergeant who got his ass royally handed to him (permanent injuries and disfigurement) when he got jumped by three gangbangers. They just destroyed him.

Because real life is nothing like the movie you just watched. That marine drill sergeant fought back and got stomped for it.

[Considered making a joke involving weapons timers and burning back to the gate but thought better of it]

Dodixie > Hek
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#89 - 2013-11-05 14:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Rhivre wrote:
I hear that as soon as you jump through a gate, you get ganked, and that everyone always steals all your stuff and screws you over...no wonder players are put off by hearing this....if it were actually true then the population of afkers in eve would be way lower and we would have no freight transport services, and I would probably be much richer through collateral payouts.

No question, I'm not advocating to make high sec saver, though... if anything, I'm think that all mindless/risk free activities should be looked over, be it ganking OR afk mining... they are both symptoms of the same, basic design flaw EVE suffers from.

...the game deserves it's public reputation, but that's only in part the communities fault.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-11-05 14:29:13 UTC
I wish CCP would do something about the idiots in highsec and ban them from posting on the forums.
Clyde Belvar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-11-05 14:42:17 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Clyde Belvar wrote:
This game is becoming unplayable because of ganking happening right now.
2 years ago when i started playing with my main char i didn't see nearly as much ganking as it is now.I was on my eve brake for 4 months,now recently i came back and game is completely changed,which shows that there is a serious problem of people exploiting game mechanics.
Now you see gankers everywhere,ganking mission runners,ganking miners,setting up gate camps in cheap ass ships in hisec and camping stations all day.
You are not even safe in pod since there will be some ass who will kill you anyways.
This character i made for trading and manifacturing,now i can't even move my stuff around because i know someone will probably gank me,it doesn't matter what ship i fly,indie freighter they can be shot down in seconds,and i am never autopiloting.
I lost more isk in 4 days then my main char lost in 2 years living in lowsec nullsec and wh's,how can it be right?

Worse thing is that there are no consequences for gankers,yeah they might get kill right on them,but they will undock in shuttle and get it off.
Gankers should be charged for crime they do,something like 50% of total isk lost they should repay to victim.So if 2 catalysts destroy hulk they wallets go negative 50 mil each,and if they don't have isk wallet goes -50 mil.Why not make ganking more hard?

I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.



Wow, you see I have the total opposite experience.

I have been ganked twice in my life when I first started playing Eve and both times it was completely my fault. It was nearly 3 years ago now.

Since then I have moved 100's of billions of isk worth of crap thoughout all of Eve, that include all area's of space and I have never lost one ship to gank..

So whilst some say it never been this bad, because of my own experience, I just go along with you were stupid and now are crying about it.



Dude if you got lucky by not being ganked its cool,but don't call someone stupid because he got ganked,in 2 years i was ganked once in last 4 days i was ganked 4 times,is that normal?Check how many corps alliances are doing only ganking now,before there was just goons.Check how many freighters and indies are being killed now.Only thing i am asking is for game to be fair for everyone,why you so against changes on ganking?
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#92 - 2013-11-05 14:42:58 UTC
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.

This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#93 - 2013-11-05 14:50:02 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.

This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.


he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#94 - 2013-11-05 14:51:54 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

As I said: One IP per person, and all accounts played from that one IP have the same reputation/sec status... but since CCP profits greatly from mutliboxers, it would never happen.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#95 - 2013-11-05 14:53:13 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.

This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.


he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.



Then why aren't people just hiring escorts?

Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely?

If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#96 - 2013-11-05 14:54:53 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.

You kill me, you should die.

But wait.

You're not just one person, you're two people.

As I said: One IP per person, and all accounts played from that one IP have the same reputation/sec status... but since CCP profits greatly from mutliboxers, it would never happen.


They could still have a friend do it, which is slightly better but still I hope there's a flag put on them.

Just because you didn't kill someone doesn't make you not an accomplice to murder.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-11-05 14:54:56 UTC
Ganking definitely needs to be looked at, just not in the way these people want. Suspect and criminal tags shouldn't count down while docked. If players can't hide behind CONCORD to stop gankers, gankers shouldn't be able to hide in station to stop players. That's the only thing that needs to change. Cheap, easily replaced ships is the pirate way so those should stay. High DPS able to blow through ships benefits everybody, so keep that for sure. And let those whiners in other MMOs cry about EVE, they're the reason I found this amazing game.
Babbet Bunny
#98 - 2013-11-05 14:55:12 UTC
Gank the gankers. They are flying untanked ships.

I autopilot through Highsec all the time with either a bubblewrapped PLEX or Trit.

Please play my game ;). Many have gambled.

The looting alts do go suspect, just need an alt there to tackle them.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#99 - 2013-11-05 15:01:27 UTC
Babbet Bunny wrote:
Gank the gankers. They are flying untanked ships.

I autopilot through Highsec all the time with either a bubblewrapped PLEX or Trit.

Please play my game ;). Many have gambled.

The looting alts do go suspect, just need an alt there to tackle them.



So, in conclusion, it's not really broken at all? You're going to die, but you don't have to lose your stuff.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#100 - 2013-11-05 15:03:46 UTC
Goddamn this is an awwwwwwwwwsooom thread... and this time I brought enough popcorn for everyone. Lol

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )