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Is the Naga dead to you, or are you still excited for it?
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Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2011-11-18 01:06:41 UTC
Naga has a spinning radar. It is officially one of the best ships in the game.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-11-18 01:29:35 UTC
I was sad that it lost its torpedoes and I would have hoped it got a full bonus for both weapon systems. But if it is between split bonuses or the pure rail platform it is now... I will take what it is now! :D

Ferox #1
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#43 - 2011-11-18 02:19:15 UTC
ITT a bunch of people complain that the naga got a boost that makes it arguably the best sniping ship in the game.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2011-11-18 05:22:40 UTC
But I wanted selectable damage typessss Q_Q
(Also I already had T2 Torps trained! My brilliant plans have been foiled!)
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#45 - 2011-11-18 06:33:22 UTC
As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.

Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2011-11-18 06:39:11 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.

Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.


Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right?

Right?

Roll
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2011-11-18 06:43:29 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.

Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.



Oddly it'll still be a better blaster ship than Talos will, something about an added 10km with blasters over its Gallente counterpart.

If is was going to use rails (lol yeah right) Id use Talos for that, tracking + damage is superior for big rails that can hit to lock with short range ammo anyway.

However, I'm a split Gallente/Matar pilot, so I'll be in a Tornado if I'm in any tier 3.....only way to be sure.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#48 - 2011-11-18 06:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Written Word wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.

Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.


Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right?

Right?

Roll


So you would say that would it be perfectly fine for me to compare the Naga with the Maelstrom?

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-11-18 06:46:35 UTC
I could care less

TORNADO BABY

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-11-18 07:19:11 UTC
I bet the Naga will beat all the others because it is Caldari engineering and I think we all know that means best engineering ;D

Ferox #1
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#51 - 2011-11-18 07:43:39 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
I bet the Naga will beat all the others because it is Caldari engineering and I think we all know that means best engineering ;D


Oh i see what you did there!

/me does House's "I see what you did there!" face.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-11-18 07:48:17 UTC
If you want a missile boat for pve, theres already the drake, tengu, and raven which do the job more efficiently than the Naga would have anyways. If you want missiles for pvp, then you're an idiot because missiles are horrible for pvp. Im glad its a hybrid platform, as it may actually have some usefulness rather than being yet another missile boat thats not even as effective as the ones already available.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#53 - 2011-11-18 08:38:16 UTC
You know what? I have more SP in gunnery skills than in missle skills, and I'm an '06 Caldari pilot, and I tend to fly just Caldari ships. I can't wait for the Naga, I'm going to have so much fun with a real rail platform.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-11-18 08:57:17 UTC
The Rokh will be good after the update too Zions ;D Teamwork is the Caldari way!

Ferox #1
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2011-11-18 09:10:49 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Written Word wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.

Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.


Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right?

Right?

Roll


So you would say that would it be perfectly fine for me to compare the Naga with the Maelstrom?


Saying its almost as good as one of the worst DPS dealing battleships in the game isn't a point in the favor.

The Rokh is a terrible ship, and having a pocket sized one of those won't make it anything in this game better. The hybrid Naga won't deal the damage of the Talos, it won't have the damage projection of the Oracle/Tornado. If you are feeling stupid, I suppose you could try sniping in it, but with the lowest alpha and the current state of scan probing, do you really think this is a good idea?

With torps, you could have gotten a massive gank platform with decent range and changeable damage types. Easily the best anti-capital one of the bunch.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2011-11-18 09:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Written Word wrote:


The hybrid Naga won't deal the damage of the Talos,

Its very close, and more agile than the talos, AND holds a better buffer tank while doing it.



Written Word wrote:
it won't have the damage projection of the Oracle/Tornado.


The tornado is ****, put it out of your mind for damage projection, it struggles to even fit a full 1400 kit.

The Oracle holds about 500 dps at 170km, while the Naga holds nearly 600 dps at 190km, meaning its using a higher damage ammo at 170km and out dpsing the oracle at the same range as the oracles max


Written Word wrote:
If you are feeling stupid, I suppose you could try sniping in it, but with the lowest alpha and the current state of scan probing, do you really think this is a good idea?


Yes, its literally the best sniper in the game right now, you load antimatter and shoot for anything under 130km.

If your only metric of what makes a long range ship good is alpha then you are sorely misinformed on what makes a ship good, the Naga is one of the better of the new BC's, its a split between the Naga and the Oracle right now.

You'd know that if you spent any time on the test server trying things but instead your on EVE O making terrible posts.

Written Word wrote:


With torps, you could have gotten a massive gank platform with decent range and changeable damage types. Easily the best anti-capital one of the bunch.


But it somehow missed your notice that there aren't any 8 torp launching platforms ANYWHERE in the game right now, and you don't see it as odd that the first one they might introduce was a battlecruiser?

They weren't going to make it better than the Raven or Golem, and it would have been had this change gone through, infact, it would have had the firepower greater than a navy raven with its old layout, and thats kinda broken in too many ways.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-11-18 09:56:01 UTC
I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o

I want one sooo bad D:

Ferox #1
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2011-11-18 09:59:49 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o

I want one sooo bad D:


talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones.

Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low
Foster Kincade
Legio Decima Gemina
#59 - 2011-11-18 10:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Foster Kincade
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
I could care less


so are you saying that you actually care about this subject or do you intend to say you couldn't care less?

on topic, I neither care for or against this change. I will wait till they release on TQ with the final bonuses and give all four ships a try.
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#60 - 2011-11-18 10:21:09 UTC
Mini Rokh - DO WANT.