EVE General Discussion

Jenn's last point, about EFT Warriors vs people who actually fly ships, really hit home with me.

Here's what I realized.

A day tripper with doctored data doesn't get to tell me that nullsec is fine.

Infinity, you don't get to have an opinion on this, because you haven't experienced it for yourself to any degree of adequacy to speak on the subject. As you emotional thinkers like to do to others, you are now disqualified from speaking on the subject due to your inexperience with the subject matter and your dishonesty about the experience you do actually have.

Wow, just wow!!!

The "newest" person I ever flipped was two months old and knew what it was but always had friends nearby to cover him (except that one time he didn't). The rest were 3-6 year old industrial characters and weekend pirates. The miners all had plenty of time to read their C&P while waiting for their cycles to finish. Many of the weekend pirates had battleship kills but still fell for a pvp mining frig.

Anyway, that's mostly gone now and in exchange for killing all the emergent play and pvp that can flipping created (security guards, hauling for mining ops and Q-ship style counter-piracy with battle barges) CCP gave us dueling....yay for more station games!

Wasn't real pvp anyway. All the fights happened in belts with nowhere to escape to with a press of a button.

Spoken like a true Jenn aSide brown matter licker, but the comment was to say that you and your circle jerk friends seem to think that you allow others to post, rather amusing to see you come out and say that.

No, that would just be me. None of the rest of our "circle", as you put it.

And if you couldn't tell that was satirical... you may want to take a step back from the situation.

So i guess my Raven and Domi mission runing ships are full of magic. Or it takes magic to look up EVE-Survival or Ogrank or Ellatha

What you don't get is that I AM the average mission runner. I'm not flying 5 bil with of mission ship. I'm flying tech 1 battleships with MJDs. Nothing magical about it.

It's not my fault is other people are so "casual" (read: lazy) that they can't use google.

And no one is saying you cannot make is isk in null I do so every single night. we're saying that (ill underline becauase for some reason some of you cannot internalize this point, just like my "EFT warrior" comparison) There are reasons why experienced and intelligent null pilots keep high sec isk making alts and why large swaths of nullsec are "empty.

And not, it has nothiong to do with being scared or being unable to do anything without a blob like you and others want to believe. It's a simple, rational analysis of the best use of isk making time by people who know what they are doing. The best use of isk making time (for people who have other things to do like real life or even in game activities) is using the safety of high sec incursions or missions (or mining afk in a not stupidly untanked ship while doing other things) as opposed to the chance based and time intensive ways of null sec (where CONCORD won't come and save you from aggression).

This points to a general imbalance, high sec is in many way way to good (which is why I and others who'd rather be full time "out of high sec" guys are instead in high sec, I'd LOVE to be flying with low sec incursion communities, but there are none and attempts to make one always fail because incursion runners can't stand the idea of losing even the occasional t1 BS....)

The funniest thing is when someone on these forums claims sanity but demonstrates otherwise. Benny wasn't saying anything of the sort about US allowing anyone to do anything, he was saying that we are ALL allowed our opinions about things.

GD is like real life, you never have to "win" an argument, you just have to give the other side enough rope to hang themselves with...

Lets take your example of a Raven and Domi, the Domi becomes especially effective with T2 sentries, its only just recently that T2 sentries were trained by PvP players due initially to the Slowcats, then followed by the Domi's and other drone boats that N3 and now others use, that means that a lot of people are still to train into them, my main being one such example, second example is that my second account has a specific Amarr combat toon and an industrial toon, I do not run the number of accounts that you do, neither am I as old as you. And most of my time was in 0.0. I decided early on not to go too mad on accounts, one I was happy to fund my accounts with RL cash and second thing I was not keen to get into the plex grind. And assuming I don't know Eve-Survival, I recognise that my mission running is sub-optimal and I am going to be working on that, but other needs get in the way, such as PvP training... The thing is most players I know have two accounts just like me and this is another issue in terms of level 4's ignoring the fanatic level 4 mission runner, how many people who try all facets of Eve and dojn't run more than 2 accounts are going to be fully optimal.

I agree with you that having those mission toons is a good idea, because you will get camped in 0.0, and you quite rightly pointed out that if you are doing other things in RL or in a fleet missions are good, something I mentioned earlier in this thread. Of course if you are in an Incurison doing DPS then you can get by without being on Incursion comms and firing on the targetted one. I agree with you here.

I don't for one moment think its anything to do with the blob, whatever you mean by that, though another aspect is that people have to adjust their fittings in 0.0 to be able to PvP or avoid PvP which makes their ships sub-optimal when doing PvE in 0.0, and this does have an impact on their thinking.

I don't agree with the balance concept, so much when it comes down to the desire for people to nerf level 4 missions, I see no need whatsoever to do. Especially as many people like myself use missions at times for ISK when we cannot be bothered to do anything more difficult, in fact I only do missions now because I have no desire to do much in games and often after one or two I decide to call it a day. So as such I do not really disagree with you in terms of the ease of doing them and taht you can do other things.

The low sec incursion, with a certain super as a prize, I agree with you that it is stupid that these people will not even take a T1 BS with T2 fittings into low sec, however I guess it comes down to the issues around trust in this game, you really cannot trust anyone when it comes down to a possible kill and that is why I think you will never see a low sec incursion group outside of major alliances. It would be good however.

I don't want to see level 4's nerfed, and I don't think that it should be because people in 0.0 have high sec mission alts, that points to an inbalance with 0.0 more than anything else, perhaps that pesky cloaky camper has something to do with it...

Noticing that there is a circle of people around you sucking up to your posts, so much its embarassing (for them), and he was saying that people were allowed and inferring people were not allowed, it looked very much like he was getting all victorious because the OP has not posted in a while!