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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#641 - 2013-10-24 15:42:37 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Yeah I'll do what I like. Take your oversized ego and your silly hater attitude somewhere else.

And if your such a "Pro" why did I have to tell you how to get a structure in a complex to retarget something else so it'd stop repping armor?...


Standard reply from someone who thinks they know more than they do. Are you sure you're not actually my 16 year old daughter just trying to troll daddy.

My oversized ego? Am i the one who invaded sov space single handedly then posted about it. Am i the one posting about "gee, everyone is doing it wrong, I'm a great ninja ratter. Am i the one posting in the features and ideas section lecturing professional game makers about making video games?

Go ahead, use the search function, show everyone here where I started a thread where I proclaimed that I was awesome and everyone else sucked lol. Paris Hilton is less of an attention ***** than you are lol.

What you just did was call a kettle black, and among other things that's racist!

And the last part is epic. You know you're using an exploit when you get an overseer to switch targets, right?

As usual…jenataila doesn’t like the message…..topic degrades to pissing contest…topic locked jenataila gets what he was after all along instead of a vacation for trolling. Moderators please stop this blatant pattern from people like this.

Thanks in advance
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#642 - 2013-10-24 15:44:18 UTC
Shiva Darksun wrote:
This petty argument dwarfs each one of you, poisons the community and adds no value.

If someone is wrong and you know better, please collaborate, tell them why they're wrong and what's to be done better, rather than attacking a person and trying to cover their posts with faeces. That's monkey-style poo-flinging and you probably don't want to be in that category. Hopefully.

infinity ziona poisons the community

this person came into the conversation with enormous bias, this person ignores what people say and argues against what they didn't say, this person dismisses any argument that doesn't fit into their preconceived conclusion on the issue, this person cannot be reasoned with

Infinity Ziona wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Reported.


Counter-reported

You can only report breaches of forum rules unfortunately.

please stop spamming the thread
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#643 - 2013-10-24 15:46:43 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

As usual…jenataila doesn’t like the message…..topic degrades to pissing contest…topic locked jenataila gets what he was after all along instead of a vacation for trolling. Moderators please stop this blatant pattern from people like this.

JENN WE GOT BALLAS ATTACKING OUR 'HOOD
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#644 - 2013-10-24 15:50:07 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:


Infinity Ziona wrote:

You can only report breaches of forum rules unfortunately.

Only you can report forest fires



Gasp wont someone please think of the antipodean children?!?!

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#645 - 2013-10-24 15:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Angeal MacNova
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
As usual…jenataila doesn’t like the message…..topic degrades to pissing contest…topic locked jenataila gets what he was after all along instead of a vacation for trolling. Moderators please stop this blatant pattern from people like this.

Thanks in advance



Pissing contest is one, simply spewing off topic nonsense is another and blatent insults with no constructive input is yet another. Instead of people simply ignoring threads they don't like and/or have no interest in contributing to, they much rather do what they can to try and get it locked. The worst part is that mods are too eager to oblige. Rather than deal with the replies, they simply lock the whole thread.

A much better way would be to have a warning meter (you see your own but you don't see other people's) and when you break the rules of the forums, your specific posts/replies that are within violation are handled and you get a warning. When the meter fills up, you take a forced vacation.

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Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#646 - 2013-10-24 15:59:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
This thread inspired me to go try some null PvE. Fun? Yes. Profitable? Well, let's just say that I've lost more than one of these: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67868-Ishtar-All-In-One-Low-Sec-and-Null-Ninja-Explorer.html#loadout

So, yeah. I think from a pure isk/hr perspective, high sec is still better, at least for me. Goonswarm got a couple of juicy kills out of me, so at least I made someone's day.

Wait, I think I remember seeing you mentioned. Ishtar, running scanned-down complexes?


Yes

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#647 - 2013-10-24 16:13:08 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Yeah I'll do what I like. Take your oversized ego and your silly hater attitude somewhere else.

And if your such a "Pro" why did I have to tell you how to get a structure in a complex to retarget something else so it'd stop repping armor?...


Standard reply from someone who thinks they know more than they do. Are you sure you're not actually my 16 year old daughter just trying to troll daddy.

My oversized ego? Am i the one who invaded sov space single handedly then posted about it. Am i the one posting about "gee, everyone is doing it wrong, I'm a great ninja ratter. Am i the one posting in the features and ideas section lecturing professional game makers about making video games?

Go ahead, use the search function, show everyone here where I started a thread where I proclaimed that I was awesome and everyone else sucked lol. Paris Hilton is less of an attention ***** than you are lol.

What you just did was call a kettle black, and among other things that's racist!

And the last part is epic. You know you're using an exploit when you get an overseer to switch targets, right?

As usual…jenataila doesn’t like the message…..topic degrades to pissing contest…topic locked jenataila gets what he was after all along instead of a vacation for trolling. Moderators please stop this blatant pattern from people like this.

Thanks in advance


Reported for personal attack. have a nice vacation.

See, i can do it too, I call in Infinitizing!!!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#648 - 2013-10-24 16:15:26 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

As usual…jenataila doesn’t like the message…..topic degrades to pissing contest…topic locked jenataila gets what he was after all along instead of a vacation for trolling. Moderators please stop this blatant pattern from people like this.

JENN WE GOT BALLAS ATTACKING OUR 'HOOD


-70s voice-

I ain't worried 'bout no jive mucka lucka, I'm too busy tryin ta fix my 8-track player in my cadillac.

-/70s Voice-
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#649 - 2013-10-24 16:25:01 UTC
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#650 - 2013-10-24 16:27:56 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.



I feel the say way about people who spout the ridiculous nonsense that there should BE a balance.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#651 - 2013-10-24 17:10:32 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.



I feel the say way about people who spout the ridiculous nonsense that there should BE a balance.


Why is that? I'd imagine that a balance would be best for everyone involved. It'd be an incentive to try other areas of space without knowing that you are hurting your income. Which in turn, leads to less boredom which leads to more subscription retention.

Viable parts of space for everyone is the path to higher sub numbers.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#652 - 2013-10-24 17:35:11 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.


Is there someone preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance? I have never know goonies to pass up ANY chance at exploiting any part of the game. There is a reason you are in low sec crying for nerf to hi-sec missions and it’s not because low sec has lower income.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#653 - 2013-10-24 17:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It'd be an incentive to try other areas of space without knowing that you are hurting your income. Which in turn, leads to less boredom



Sorry dude


That's an oxymoron in EvE terms right there


(PS Im making an assumption on what you mean based on context. Grammatically you are stating you should be able to go outside HiSec and not realise you are at risk)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
No Means No
meh fackit
#654 - 2013-10-24 17:38:30 UTC
NULL SEC IS A LOOOOOT BETTER

EVERYONE KNOWS

ONLY A FEW ADMIT IT
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#655 - 2013-10-24 18:19:21 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.


Is there someone preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance? I have never know goonies to pass up ANY chance at exploiting any part of the game. There is a reason you are in low sec crying for nerf to hi-sec missions and it’s not because low sec has lower income.


OMG an actual argument from E-2c instead of useless trolling? WTF, why are my feet cold, how could snow be on the forecast for hell, must be gloabal warming or something?

More seriously, people (not just goons) ARE exploiting the imbalance. Many null sec players have high sec incursion, mission, mining, scamming and exploration alts. Half of my 4 accounts characters are in high sec for logistics and PVE isk making purposes. High Sec isk is reliable and it's really hard for anyone to interrupt you (except for high sec exploration).

The various reasons why have been explained to (and ignored by) the OP. Relying on a random number generator and time consuming PVE activities for isk is dumb when you can take the exact same 2 alts Infinity is using and rake in high sec isk.

1 alt runs infinitely available missions (and if you're pro , basking in the glory of sisters probes or nomad implants/soon to be SOE cruisers or other goodies you can get in high sec like the infinite respawing cosmos plexes that drop items the cosmos runners need) while X-ing up in incursion channels with the other alt. And then stop doing everything else when you get into that incursion fleet because thats where the isk is. Incursion is is never ever chance based like sov null isk is.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#656 - 2013-10-24 18:20:41 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
This thread inspired me to go try some null PvE. Fun? Yes. Profitable? Well, let's just say that I've lost more than one of these: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67868-Ishtar-All-In-One-Low-Sec-and-Null-Ninja-Explorer.html#loadout

So, yeah. I think from a pure isk/hr perspective, high sec is still better, at least for me. Goonswarm got a couple of juicy kills out of me, so at least I made someone's day.

Wait, I think I remember seeing you mentioned. Ishtar, running scanned-down complexes?


Yes


Which is odd because when you posted that I went on EveKill to see the loss and found no Ishtar losses?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#657 - 2013-10-24 18:26:23 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.


Is there someone preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance? I have never know goonies to pass up ANY chance at exploiting any part of the game. There is a reason you are in low sec crying for nerf to hi-sec missions and it’s not because low sec has lower income.


I do it myself. I take FULL advantage of the fact that, unless I am drunk and doing something stupid as a result, I cannot die in highsec.

I do PI on several alts (factory planet in highsec ftw), I mission in highsec. Highsec is where I make most of my money, and the best part is, it's almost completely risk free!

That's the damned problem. Oh, I'm not alone, either. Quite a few people in the thread have expressed that they use incursions to plump up the old wallet, when they live in null on their mains. For a lot of line members, this is the rule, not the exception.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#658 - 2013-10-24 18:28:37 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.


Is there someone preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance? I have never know goonies to pass up ANY chance at exploiting any part of the game. There is a reason you are in low sec crying for nerf to hi-sec missions and it’s not because low sec has lower income.


OMG an actual argument from E-2c instead of useless trolling? WTF, why are my feet cold, how could snow be on the forecast for hell, must be gloabal warming or something?

More seriously, people (not just goons) ARE exploiting the imbalance. Many null sec players have high sec incursion, mission, mining, scamming and exploration alts. Half of my 4 accounts characters are in high sec for logistics and PVE isk making purposes. High Sec isk is reliable and it's really hard for anyone to interrupt you (except for high sec exploration).

The various reasons why have been explained to (and ignored by) the OP. Relying on a random number generator and time consuming PVE activities for isk is dumb when you can take the exact same 2 alts Infinity is using and rake in high sec isk.

1 alt runs infinitely available missions (and if you're pro , basking in the glory of sisters probes or nomad implants/soon to be SOE cruisers or other goodies you can get in high sec like the infinite respawing cosmos plexes that drop items the cosmos runners need) while X-ing up in incursion channels with the other alt. And then stop doing everything else when you get into that incursion fleet because thats where the isk is. Incursion is is never ever chance based like sov null isk is.

You point me in the direction of this magical isk in high sec, make sure its 12 billion a month worth. Curioius minds would like to know where this isk fountain lives.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#659 - 2013-10-24 18:41:36 UTC
Shiva Darksun wrote:
This petty argument dwarfs each one of you, poisons the community and adds no value.


Isn't this what GD is about? Twisted

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#660 - 2013-10-24 18:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You point me in the direction of this magical isk in high sec, make sure its 12 billion a month worth. Curioius minds would like to know where this isk fountain lives.


12 Bil in a month is 6 full nomad sets from Thukker/Trust Partners (not counting LP store costs of course). Not hard to do at all over 30 days with a single machariel.

12 bil is (including LP store cost) someting like 28,000 Sisters core Scanner Probes. I sell 1000+ sisters probes per night (made easier with those cool new Sisters lvl 4 agents....) 12 bil doesn't even take 30 days...... My sisters mission alt uses a Navy Raven and wait till i get my hands of those new missile launchers coming in Rubicon.

Even factoring in the craziness of someone popping the moms early, 12 bil from incursion running is 2.6 to 3.4 hours of incursions per day (. Not hard to do and 2 days ago a TVP FC was talking about his downtime to downtime marathon over the weekend. Why do you think incursion runners are able to afford 5 bil iskn Vindis and machs after a short period of time?

All of the above with glancing at local, without scanning down random wormholes, with next to zero risk of losing a ship (i mission in battleships, I get scrammed, i MJD, get out of jail free card).

That's not even mentioning the crazyness of going just a few jumps from jita and scanning down cosmos mission runners doing the mission that drops the Michi Implant and stealing from that can (made extra special now because of crime watch lol). Doesn't always work but its better than hoping that MAZE drops something with the words Pith in it.

And there are more, way more. All the above can be done with ONE CHARACTER. Not that you really care lol.