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I like this change.

I like to explore in nullsec, and I spend a ton of time in Goonswarm territory.

Want to know why?

It's entirely undefended carebear space, with nobody protecting it, nobody around. I can go 20 or 30 jumps around in their territory and not see a single goon.

However, somehow they still manage to run their giant carebear farm 24/7 and there's no easy way to shut it down.

CCP is providing us with a tool to do just that. No more just spamming POS everywhere like a crazy person, AFK'ing, and watching your moons print ISK....

Now you actually have to defend your space!

What a crazy concept.

Love it.

we told them, on these very forums, it was going to end hilariously badly

ccp didn't listen

aryth proceeded to demonstrate it ending hilariously badly

They fixed FW didn't they?

if you done ​​it, you lose ~ 10 accounts


Goodbye eve ...

Your stuff pls?
Or at least position of your POSs, so i can steal from them till they go offline, pls?

Sigh. Just my thoughts exactly.

The thought of someone dropping a module, then going afk for a few hours, only to come back and collect goo...wow. what a great an immersive feature! - That sounds like a bunch of fun.

Seriously CCP... wake up!


Also the fact that you can have 500 of those in a prorator with expanded cargohold is pretty damn sick.
Make the size atleast 20 times the proposed idea, and it will start to make sense.



Anyway if this goes live, i'll abuse the hell out of it by using black ops ships to jump my blockade runner about, to siphon pos's completely risk free.

As opposed to going AFK while your moons print ISK and then just mindlessly going to collect it?

It seems to me that this is the pot calling the kettle black. Moon mining is already a passive feature....

Kiss full yields goodbye, and be prepared to defend your space, actively.

Either that, or cry like the goons. They are crying the most because they are going to lose the most.

If you think doing pos reactions is afk work, i got news for you. - It isn't.

The amount of logistical work you need to do is immense, just freightering fuel around takes a couple of JF jumps, depending on how many pos's you have.


Also the investment on sitting reactions chains up, are huge. With that amount of isk it takes, you can make far more manufactuering, with a fraction of the time and risk.

So, after reading a lot of the comments, I still think that in general the Siphon is a good idea, but there are some issues:

First off, no this won't break Goons, or any of the other coalitions roaming around the Eve Universe.. well, not initially anyways. That is because they have a few options they will probably employ.

Likely many of the coalitions will require alliance members/renters to perform due diligence patrols through important POS systems, destroying any Siphons they see. This will be relatively easy since you're not likely to siphon from low-value moons so everyone will know where to look, cutting the time down significantly. An interesting side note is that maybe they'll even pay those that take out the siphons with the moon goo they find. Seems easy enough to confirm as well with the killmails too. Goonswarm probably will have an automated payout system within a few month perhaps?

There will be a burst of activity to use these things against others from the very beginning, with much of the activity on the border areas, which also will limit where a response needs to be as well. Then people will start to realize that there isn't much of a profit in "medium-level" type raid operations because the cycle takes too long for a Siphon to cover its own costs as well as potential risk.

This leaves only two population types vulnerable: Small independants and Well-insulated Null-sec alliances. Both of these are subject to human cycles of sleep, laziness, ignorance, etc. These will be main prey for people using a Siphon Unit. The problem here is that a.) Small Independent are going to be easy targets.. probably run them out of space to be honest. and b.) the really juicy targets, the null-sec alliances and corporations that live far from enemy fleets, low-sec, and high-sec are not going to be easy to get to and so a typical blockade runner with, say a single cargohold expander, will have only about 5000m3 worth of loot he could potential get.

So if we break it down, using current prices of Dys, waiting the full 23 hours it would take to get a full load into your siphons, and taking into account that you will get a full load in a Blockade Runner, and your siphons haven't been either picked off or robbed by any of the locals, you will probably be bringing home a payday of $180 million isk minus the initial cost of the six siphons.. through very difficult and dangerous space. If we go with something like Neo on the other hand, you are looking about half that if everything goes perfectly meaning that you probably made only $60 to $70 mil isk for the venture. Those numbers of course would assume that the moons in question are close by.

At this point, with the current figures, I'd have to say that for a rare and industrious few this could be a profitable business. But likely it will be only worthwhile in two uses, both of these not being for proft: As a tool used to destroy and disrupt isk generation for an enemy alliance. Or as a way for disgrunted players to get back at their own alliance's profits.

Again, the solution to not rewarding AFK gameplay -- on either POS owner or griefer side -- is an actual asynchronous gameplay mechanic other than "most recent to act, wins."

Described in detail at my post on page 11 here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3749721#post3749721