EVE General Discussion

Most PvP is done for kicks, it's not profitable even when you have an efficiency as high as mine. Besides, how is that any different to anything else in Eve? Also, if the best sites to explore were in null then good luck getting there in a shuttle. Get an alt to bring a n00b ship to pick you up? Sure, if you like but the people who killed your ship will know it's coming. Alternatively they could dock up, move the ship so you can't escape and hunt you through the ruins.

The fact you wondered whether people would waste ammo to strand you inside a ruin for no other reason than to laugh at you makes me wonder if you play Eve at all.



Trust a player who's been playing only as long as I have probably spent in null myself total? Trust me, I know what null is like. Don't assume I am a carebear just because I want Avatar content. I may have spent the last three or so months in high sec, doing bugger all (ie, barely logging in) but that is not what this character is for.



Implants are often the biggest loss, and that's a loss you'd risk rummaging through ruins without your ship.

Generally, you should try and avoid hypocrisy in your posts, especially obvious ones.

So, if kill boards are irrelevant why does the ship he is in make any difference to your willingness to scan him down and kill him? By your logic both of those statements can't be true. I would have said both were rubbish, but by your own admission at least one of them has to be,

They are: WoD is 100% pure avatar gameplay.

As to "FiS is more important than WiS," I point you away from this false dichotomy and toward CCP's development plan going forward, in which all areas of the game get some attention in every expansion. They are not going to drop FiS to work on WiS, and once they do introduce WiS in earnest, they will not drop WiS to work on FiS--or industry, or anything else. Every part of the game will get its due, because the goal of future expansions is to have them touch as many aspects of gameplay as possible, in service to an overall theme.

This may be more or less true for the next couple of expansions while they take care of long-neglected business, but it's the direction they've publicly committed to.

Well, as far as development effort goes, CCP's answer to "where should be placed any effort not related to FiS" is: "anywhere but EVE."

WoD is being developed steadily with a large enough crew; 2013 it's been their "content development" year and so they don't have much to say or show, but Atlanta has been hiring content makers steadily all along the year.

DUST has been running in emergency mode for months and will stay course, actively syphoning resources from Reyjkavik as/if needed.

Valkyrie is a minor project by all measures, being developed by a team which formerly had been detached from Reykjavik to lean a hand to DUST. Now they're still out of the main office but it's just 15 developers.

All them together, though, would make more than enough to develop WiS in EVE without affecting the asmathic development which FiS has been seeing with the approval of the formerly noisy and disgruntled FiS crowd. Anyway, the FiS crowd still hopes to see development on the missing legs of the Holy Trinty: PvP, POS, SOV... and i wonder how much disappointment is coming their way as the Hallelujah Plan unfolds with new more of the same rather than fix what's FUBAR with nullsec, which is more a concept issue than a mechanics issue.

And in the process, new players are unable to understand what's the fuss with content they don't know, can't judge, nor can access; most of the game is a no go zone to anyone not looking for harsh but ultimately pointless PvP; and several large demographics become bored and alienated as EVE performs its one trick routine once again.

Meanwhile, competition plays its cards; Rubicon is rushed to release two weeks earlier than usual to stomp on X: Rebirth's launch date, CCP retextures an arm and calls it a cybernetic limb as Star Citizen's, and Star Citizen engages in a "create a starhisp" contest with 30,000 USD and professional grade goodies as their first prize.

And we the WiSers, we get no cookie, there are no plans to give us cookie, and anyway if they ever had to give us something, it would be cake (yet another game) and not cookie (WiS in EVE).

Would they be the good kind of subscribers, or the "Casual no pvp exploration 2/3/74%"?

I mean deadweights that just sit in hisec, gorge up on ISK and then get scream on the forums when they get shot? If the game was composed solely out of them, it'd die quickly.

PvP is being in-development and changed constantly. "Rebalance" of ships tends to change their mechanics completely. Rubicon brings us interdiction-immune Interceptors, minisiege Marauders and new SoE ships - that's actually not bad.

There seem to be plans to change POSes and Sov mechanics later down the line, much like there are no announced plans for WiS. And good - I'm pretty sure CCP aims for stories built on emergent gameplay and content created by players as a way to market the game.

They don't want us to play a role in a world they built. They want us to build a world from dust they gave us. They want EVE to be a game where player empires rise, set ambitious goals, make impact on history. Where a player can make himself a part of said empire. Great conflicts erupt, over resources or personal animosity. Empires are destroyed in wars that involve thousands of players.

This sounds way more epic than "Solo casual exploration". And it is - likely even to a casual player, if he were to even take his first step.

There's place in all of this for WiS but it's too ambitious to work today. It can be added as a cherry on top.

As for development - EVE is old. Very old. A hint of work being done is the recent implementation of DX11 capability into the engine. Trust me - working on a code that old, likely poorly documented, is hard. It's harder than writing it from scratch. You can't write it from scratch either, because there is something out there that bases on 3 lines of code here you consider redundant. You optimize it, you break it and it all falls to pieces.

They mentioned reworking lighting during the V3 shader discussion. Perhaps we'll see that in Rubicon or following Rubicon - all said, kudos to CCP coders for actually trying to dig into the old code. The same process will be seen in POS and Sov revamps.

I guess it's easy to understand a lot of people haven't done the whole "hey here's 200k of lines of code from ten years back and no docs, go fix it" thing and CCP exhausted its potential for saying "Guys, we're developing this awesome new Z feature that'll totally rock your socks off. Just wait! it's coming soon!" (soon(tm) is somewhat known to be applied here.), so no wonder they keep quiet.

That would be because everyone likes waffles.

And that it was a response to the posts above, getting it would require reading the posts above. Come ooon, if you're going to try and troll it up at least put some heart into it!

There are no legacy code restrictions on WiS because there is no legacy WiS. It needs to be written from scratch. Plenty of legacy FiS content.

The fact that CCP itself is working to develop exactly that kind of epic emergent gameplay in a avatar-only game should give you a clue.

PvE can be epic if it suits to PvP goals (just not "me and my 50 l33t bullies asploded yur ship, hawhaw you n00b!" PvP).

A wall can be built a brick at a time, in a casual friendly manner, without a need to bring 50 friends and spend the next 6 hours doing the ingame equivalent to watch paint dry. And laying a brick on a wall can be learned in the first 5 minutes of game, without a need to learn to survive to the l33t bullies who out-everything you.

You just need the WILL to do it, to ADD more EVE to EVE rather than paint the microwave in a different color, take the same old porridge and reheat it again.

But CCP lacks the will. They're too old, or scared, or incompetent, or whatever. They don't have the right stuff and even when they hire outside talent to ave their asses from themselves, they manage to turn a LARPer into a fan of "moar nullsec" rather than give her a chance to save EVE from the reheated porridge of "build ships-asplode ships".



In case you didn't noticed, most of that work was done in 2010-2011 as they developed the Carbon workframe. Legacy code is less of an issue now than updated but extremely complex FiS mechanics. FAI, restat one ship and all other 500 types take a hit, good luck not breaking anything in the process.

EVE's FiS ecosystem is extremely complex and further complexity will not make any favor to it, so you better expect the Halellujah Plan removing complexity, maybe scuttling the whole SOV system and replace with "NewSpace Holding Mechanic". FiS doing too many things in too many ways is an issue.

But meanwhile, other potential ecosystems are untouched. Like, WiS.

And what about the new mantle-api update. The say that mantle is better without the bottleneck of directx or opengl. If ccp is using..... So far i know ccp is working with amd. Are the still parners or not.... Any one know that?

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CCP had been talking for awhile, all the fanfest talks, etc. Many promises, but the least amount of delivery. There was so much talk about WiS, that players naturally expected a whole lot more from Incarna.

Developing WiS shouldn't involve breaking of FiS, nobody wants that. Plus among those shooting your Jita statue, the riot that you somehow attribute to only people liking FiS, there were plenty of players who wanted Incarna brought to Eve properly, when all we got is a way to fry hardware.

Then priority speaking - have you bothered watching that fanfest interview with Torfi Frans Olafsson I linked in one previous posts?
Basically he states if Eve team is big enough (and work on so many projects proves it) there should be plenty of room to develop WiS on top of FiS. There should not be a priority!

But that's CCP, that loves giving promises tossing a Soon™ here and there, when it actually means "sometimes in the next 10 years, hopefully, if we feel like it and you guys do not ***** about it too much."

*Snip* Removed the reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.