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thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#881 - 2011-11-16 19:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
Well i'm out for some brawling today :D


Dude. You are dumb.
I can not imagine a single person out in space not able to see and understand the principles of damage projection and kiting :)
Astarte *mad giggles* Deja Vu ^^
Morn Hyland
Amnion Partners
#882 - 2011-11-16 19:58:45 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We'll look into hybrids again after this goes out on a basis of what's needed.

We've made the first round of changes, once these go live we'll monitor usage, fleet composition etc. If these changes yield an underwhelming results, we'll continue to tweak them.



Far to complicated - I'm sure your economist is constantly telling you that you have a really good market at work in EvE.

You should be able to tell if you've got the buff right by just logging in to Jita 4/4 a couple of week time after the patch has bedded in.

Rails - especially the 350mm and 425mm have been "selling" in Jita at less than their build cost for a very long time - only the hybrid blog has made a small difference recently. Dual 150mm and 200mm are still being priced at below manufactured cost - hardly a vote of confidence.

If volumes have ticked up and it is worth inventing at the Jita sale price you've been successful. You may have overdone it the price spikes up to autocannon profit levels (and above) and stays high with increasing volumes.

Personally I expect to see Eagles still on the market at around 90 million i.e. less than their build cost...but I would like to be wrong.
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#883 - 2011-11-16 20:02:36 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
Morn Hyland wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We'll look into hybrids again after this goes out on a basis of what's needed.

We've made the first round of changes, once these go live we'll monitor usage, fleet composition etc. If these changes yield an underwhelming results, we'll continue to tweak them.



Far to complicated - I'm sure your economist is constantly telling you that you have a really good market at work in EvE.

You should be able to tell if you've got the buff right by just logging in to Jita 4/4 a couple of week time after the patch has bedded in.

Rails - especially the 350mm and 425mm have been "selling" in Jita at less than their build cost for a very long time - only the hybrid blog has made a small difference recently. Dual 150mm and 200mm are still being priced at below manufactured cost - hardly a vote of confidence.

If volumes have ticked up and it is worth inventing at the Jita sale price you've been successful. You may have overdone it the price spikes up to autocannon profit levels (and above) and stays high with increasing volumes.

Personally I expect to see Eagles still on the market at around 90 million i.e. less than their build cost...but I would like to be wrong.


Correct. easiest way to judge adjustments is not listening to words but looking at the market :D
Not only prices but also number of ships sold and number of ships destroyed :D

Best argument i've seen in a long time +1 from me. that post can not be trolled at all.
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#884 - 2011-11-16 20:09:23 UTC
Looking at market and fleet composition is a good way to follow the impact of hybrid changes, however only looking into some of the issues with hybrids in the first place seems blasphemic to balance...

Pinky
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#885 - 2011-11-16 20:10:39 UTC
Nemesor wrote:
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
lol!

Go do your own homework sonny boy.


Productive. Informative. Not at all ignorant.


its not my job to show you how to fit ships appropriately. you have the same ability to click modules in EFT and try it out on SiSi just like i did.

now hippity hop to it young buck
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#886 - 2011-11-16 20:17:43 UTC
Morn Hyland wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We'll look into hybrids again after this goes out on a basis of what's needed.

We've made the first round of changes, once these go live we'll monitor usage, fleet composition etc. If these changes yield an underwhelming results, we'll continue to tweak them.



Far to complicated - I'm sure your economist is constantly telling you that you have a really good market at work in EvE.

You should be able to tell if you've got the buff right by just logging in to Jita 4/4 a couple of week time after the patch has bedded in.

Rails - especially the 350mm and 425mm have been "selling" in Jita at less than their build cost for a very long time - only the hybrid blog has made a small difference recently. Dual 150mm and 200mm are still being priced at below manufactured cost - hardly a vote of confidence.

If volumes have ticked up and it is worth inventing at the Jita sale price you've been successful. You may have overdone it the price spikes up to autocannon profit levels (and above) and stays high with increasing volumes.

Personally I expect to see Eagles still on the market at around 90 million i.e. less than their build cost...but I would like to be wrong.



Worthy of praise.

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Nemesor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#887 - 2011-11-16 20:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Nemesor
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
Nemesor wrote:
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
lol!

Go do your own homework sonny boy.


Productive. Informative. Not at all ignorant.


its not my job to show you how to fit ships appropriately. you have the same ability to click modules in EFT and try it out on SiSi just like i did.

now hippity hop to it young buck


Says the idiot from 2008. I don't think I disputed your fits or said they were not possible. Are you confusing me with someone else?
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#888 - 2011-11-16 20:21:00 UTC
pot calling the kettle black on the ignorance jive.

you so funny mister. heres a nickel for your empty cofee cup
Nemesor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#889 - 2011-11-16 20:22:25 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
pot calling the kettle black on the ignorance jive.

you so funny mister. heres a nickel for your empty cofee cup


Are you going to attempt to be productive or jibber on like some sort of inbred mongrel.
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#890 - 2011-11-16 20:24:20 UTC
are you going to sit there and press refresh over and over or actually go test things out and provide feedback to ccp like i did?
Nemesor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#891 - 2011-11-16 20:27:24 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
are you going to sit there and press refresh over and over or actually go test things out and provide feedback to ccp like i did?


First. I have tested extensively.

Second, I read back and in your blind need to try and troll this forum, you confused me with another poster. Like a desperate 12 year old eager for the attention your parents never gave you, you latched onto me hoping to have someone speak to you.

Third. Your posts provide nothing constructive, nothing productive and nothing informative. They are therefore ignored.
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#892 - 2011-11-16 20:29:11 UTC
lol you are mad

again ccp you have done a good job here.
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#893 - 2011-11-16 20:29:42 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
May i ask why you prefer the Sleipnir zarak and not the astarte and why you have never flown or lost a single gallente ship? :)
Sigras
Conglomo
#894 - 2011-11-16 20:30:03 UTC
guys, seriously what do you want?

If they make wide sweeping changes everyone screams that theyre changing too much too fast
if they change incrementally everyone screams that theyre doing nothing!

Personally I'd rather have this than them buffing blaster damage and range by 500% and giving gallente 90% webs back.

Ill be the first one upset if they dont continue to tweak blasters, but really, which would you rather have; a new FOTM or them slowly turn up the heat on blasters until theyre right?
Magosian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#895 - 2011-11-16 20:48:20 UTC
Sigras wrote:
guys, seriously what do you want?

If they make wide sweeping changes everyone screams that theyre changing too much too fast
if they change incrementally everyone screams that theyre doing nothing!

Personally I'd rather have this than them buffing blaster damage and range by 500% and giving gallente 90% webs back.

Ill be the first one upset if they dont continue to tweak blasters, but really, which would you rather have; a new FOTM or them slowly turn up the heat on blasters until theyre right?


Honestly? I want hybrids to do something better than lasers and projectiles. Hybrids need appeal. THAT would be a good start. No doubt tweaking of stats would be needed after the fact. A fundamental change needs to happen first. Modifying stats on a fundamentally broken turret just means you're making the weapon further excel at being broken. I honestly don't see Crucible hybrid changes fixing anything.

It's one change, maybe two, and I doubt it would be sweeping. Something like omni-damage hybrid ammo and a slight boost to range would be a good start. CCP can keep all the Crucible stuff.
Magosian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#896 - 2011-11-16 20:53:07 UTC
thoth rothschild wrote:
May i ask why you prefer the Sleipnir zarak and not the astarte and why you have never flown or lost a single gallente ship? :)


C'mon now, don't lie. He's lost a few Gallente shuttles. Blink
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#897 - 2011-11-16 21:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
I would never lie ! I really like mozzarella and tokajer and Sleipnirs :p


He would not have lost those shuttles if the gate campers would have used eagles with rails instead of hurricanes.
Kalot Sakaar
CragCO
#898 - 2011-11-16 21:13:04 UTC
What's really funny about all this is the Talos, its like the flag ship of this whole discussion. Not only is it nearly pointless and out performed by the Naga, even if fit with blasters....but even funnier is that the Talos will be the most expensive of the ships and have the highest material requirements to build. Never understood why Gallente ships, the ones that must always commit 100% to each fight and have little GTFO ability are always the most expensive.... oh wait, because Minimatar get that plus also.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#899 - 2011-11-16 21:15:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
Sigras wrote:
guys, seriously what do you want?

If they make wide sweeping changes everyone screams that theyre changing too much too fast
if they change incrementally everyone screams that theyre doing nothing!

Personally I'd rather have this than them buffing blaster damage and range by 500% and giving gallente 90% webs back.

Ill be the first one upset if they dont continue to tweak blasters, but really, which would you rather have; a new FOTM or them slowly turn up the heat on blasters until theyre right?



sure, let them do it incrementally. as long as people realize this thing will drag out for an entire year. theyre just not getting my money until balance is established, simple as that. to me, this "expansion" is really garbage, gameplay-wise, because im not getting anything that was on that original list. maybe in 6 months, there will be something to see here.

CCP:

- hybrid/Gallente balancing
- FW
- nullsec
- AF's

do it. until then, please dont call graphical updates "expansions." jesus. move along people, just another CCP moment.





and i want my 4.95 back. seriously.
Mariner6
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#900 - 2011-11-16 21:33:09 UTC
Pattern Clarc wrote:
Rank Ships Kills
1 Drake 54822
2 Hurricane 47905
3 Abaddon 34259
4 Armageddon 21631
5 Zealot 15305
6 Tempest 13981
7 Maelstrom 13797
8 Dramiel 13186
9 Rifter 10627
10 Cynabal 9963
11 Sabre 9563
12 Rapier 8719
13 Scimitar 8496
14 Tengu 8312
15 Hound 8265
16 Vagabond 7737
17 Manticore 7276
18 Loki 7110
19 Harbinger 6001
20 Capsule 5365

Today in the top twenty we have:
3 Caldari
10 Minmatar
4 Amarr
2 Angel

0 Gallente

Anyone see that changing with the current set of fixes on SISI?


1) May I ask where you get this info? Is there a general all EVE kill board?

2) If this is accurate then this is by far the best stat I've seen proving the case of not just Hybrids sucking but Gallente as a whole.