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Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#861 - 2011-11-16 17:59:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
A quick way to get Gallente boats back on the map is to put the Hyperion on par with the Abaddon for fleet engagements.

Then look closely: "what have we done right here?"

Then slowly apply these changes across the board as necessary.

And yes, CCP devs. I want to make a little dare.

I want you try solo PVP in Thoraxes and Brutixes. Fit them as you like. No alts, no intel no nothing. Do some roams. You'll see the light very quickly.

3 weeks later then fly them in fleets. See if that is any better.

If you fly anything else than a blasterboat then you broke the rules.

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Nikollai Tesla
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#862 - 2011-11-16 18:02:39 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We'll look into hybrids again after this goes out on a basis of what's needed.

We've made the first round of changes, once these go live we'll monitor usage, fleet composition etc. If these changes yield an underwhelming results, we'll continue to tweak them.


Since the community has already told you these changes are underwhelming and fleet compositions won't change since hybrids/ Gallente/Caldari plateform are not good enough or don't have a niche. Can you today, using Rally or whatever project racking tool, commit and have the throughput to have them revisited in 6 months?
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#863 - 2011-11-16 18:10:30 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We'll look into hybrids again after this goes out on a basis of what's needed.

We've made the first round of changes, once these go live we'll monitor usage, fleet composition etc. If these changes yield an underwhelming results, we'll continue to tweak them.


Thanks for update. Its good news.

Be in touch :)
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#864 - 2011-11-16 18:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
lol 6 months...it's funny, but thats probably what we're looking at.

you guys have had 3 years to look at metrics for use of Gallente ships in "serious" PVP situations. you added a slight buff in damage and tracking, you've slightly decreased fitting requirements, making them subpar (a step up from horrible). you've slightly increased agility and speed of blaster boats. you've done nothing to actually make hybrids and their ships desirable, or at least somewhat equal to lasers and projectiles.

see if you guys had proper internal testing, you wouldnt have to do waste months and years doing metrics. you'd have your evidence right there in the office. i think the issue is you guys either dont play the game regularly, or none of you pvp. if this is the case you simply have to trust what players tell you.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#865 - 2011-11-16 18:31:13 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
A quick way to get Gallente boats back on the map is to put the Hyperion on par with the Abaddon for fleet engagements.

Then look closely: "what have we done right here?"



Hang on, the Hyperion's intended niche is small-scale combat. It should be the Rokh that should be on par with the Abaddon in fleet. The Hyperion should be focused on smaller fights, which means that it needs much more mobility.
Nemesor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#866 - 2011-11-16 18:46:17 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
A quick way to get Gallente boats back on the map is to put the Hyperion on par with the Abaddon for fleet engagements.

Then look closely: "what have we done right here?"



Hang on, the Hyperion's intended niche is small-scale combat. It should be the Rokh that should be on par with the Abaddon in fleet. The Hyperion should be focused on smaller fights, which means that it needs much more mobility.


Lets think on a more broad scale gai's. :-D
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#867 - 2011-11-16 19:00:14 UTC
I'll only start thinking Hybrids are balanced when I can triple plate my Vigilant with a full neutron rack and a 1600.
Nemesor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#868 - 2011-11-16 19:05:52 UTC
Morgan North wrote:
I'll only start thinking Hybrids are balanced when I can triple plate my Vigilant with a full neutron rack and a 1600.

crap post is crap.
tika te
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#869 - 2011-11-16 19:11:47 UTC
the devs should ask themselves one or two question:

-is there any reason (apart from ship's bonuses i'm fyling) to use hybrids instead (or on same level as) of lasers and projectiles? (especially in fleets)
-apparently projectiles are very popular in fleet AND small scale warfare - what's so special about them and how can we use that to bring hybrids on par with other weapon systems?
tika te
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#870 - 2011-11-16 19:14:54 UTC
Quote:
The Hyperion should be focused on smaller fights, which means that it needs much more mobility.


i haven't seen battleships in SMALL scane fights for ages; and if, hyperion is the last tier3 bs i would field there...actually hyperion is the worst of all tier3 bs...
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#871 - 2011-11-16 19:23:59 UTC
Nemesor wrote:
Morgan North wrote:
I'll only start thinking Hybrids are balanced when I can triple plate my Vigilant with a full neutron rack and a 1600.

crap post is crap.


funny post is funny.

your crap post is crap.

at least he has a sense of humor
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#872 - 2011-11-16 19:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1
I tried out the changes on sis prior to the added 5% damage and i was satisfied with how fast i could close space on a target in a vigilant and fit the ship.

when i gave them a try in spring i had to make too many compromises to get the neutron rack i wanted and this is now not the case.

alot of you are complaining that the gallente will not have a niche but, i can tell you from a great deal of time spent out here in unknown space that their niche will be wormhole combat
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#873 - 2011-11-16 19:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
post wasn't productive, removed it.
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#874 - 2011-11-16 19:40:59 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
I tried out the changes on sis prior to the added 5% damage and i was satisfied with how fast i could close space on a target in a vigilant and fit the ship.


Congratulations for being fast enough to use blasters when you fly a bling faction cruiser. Now try again in a Thorax, or a Brutix, or a Deimos, Megathron, Hyperion, or Astarte.
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#875 - 2011-11-16 19:44:25 UTC
qq

its not ccp's nor my fault that people are too lazy to get money. changes are good

+1 tallest
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#876 - 2011-11-16 19:47:06 UTC
Sry but may i ask for 125 bandwidth on the kronos back ?
Don't ask me what i'm going to do with it :p
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#877 - 2011-11-16 19:51:00 UTC
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
I tried out the changes on sis prior to the added 5% damage and i was satisfied with how fast i could close space on a target in a vigilant and fit the ship.


Congratulations for being fast enough to use blasters when you fly a bling faction cruiser. Now try again in a Thorax, or a Brutix, or a Deimos, Megathron, Hyperion, or Astarte.


i guess you didnt even try any of these out on sisi or even bother to look at them on EFT at all. Deimos can tank better than the vig and has the same agi, asarte gets even more tank and the same agi buff as the diemost and vig.

not to mention the proteus. oh my goodness the proteus. 150k ehp and moves like the vig.

Nemesor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#878 - 2011-11-16 19:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nemesor
NVM. Going to ignore obvious troll... because it is obvious.
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#879 - 2011-11-16 19:55:32 UTC
lol!

Go do your own homework sonny boy.
Nemesor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#880 - 2011-11-16 19:58:13 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
lol!

Go do your own homework sonny boy.


Productive. Informative. Not at all ignorant.