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Announcement regarding rewards and prizes to fansites and third-party contributors

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#101 - 2013-10-10 20:00:02 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:

Except that the podcast is presumably written for entertainment purposes, to the benefit of everyone who wants to read it. Anybody, even those who don't play EVE, can go listen to the podcast for free. In that way, they're providing a community service for free.

If they had received ISK and ships for just doing PVP without the podcast...that's more like what's happening there. SB is being rewarded for running a business in game.

How long until CCP rewards the ISK doublers? Because that's basically the same thing.

Gambling is also for entertainment :D If not that then for what?
The podcast had advertisment (for SOMER Blink, hehe), that means the listeners were the product.
If you want to take part in a Tournament you also need to have an active account.

Do ISK doublers (the scammers) give out billions of ISK for ingame events?

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Kate stark
#102 - 2013-10-10 20:00:03 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:

If you say items you can't undock, do you also mean not tradable? Or why does the undocking part matter? And 1B ISK ship has the same value as a 1B monocle, no?

We needed a line in the sand. I provided it. Just that simple.

If people want to put monocles on their furries, I don't give a crap. If people want special unique ships in a spaceships sandbox, I give a crap.

Hence the line in the sand; Don't give out anything that can undock unless it's a part of a CCP organized event.
It's up to the community at large if they agree with this position.


the market is still part of the sandbox, unless the item is nontransferable the issue persists regardless of whether it can undock or not.

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Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#103 - 2013-10-10 20:00:18 UTC
I had no problem with the issue of the IWScorps since they conferred the recipients with no in game advantage (gold ammo style). I feel that the ISK value arguement is weak, since the value is based upon unfounded speculation on how rare those ships will remain.

I would urge CCP to continue to reward individual players, or organizations, as they see fit and with the appropriate oversight. I would suggest that any community reward is published to curtail any malicious suggestions of secrecy.
Kate stark
#104 - 2013-10-10 20:01:07 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:

Except that the podcast is presumably written for entertainment purposes, to the benefit of everyone who wants to read it. Anybody, even those who don't play EVE, can go listen to the podcast for free. In that way, they're providing a community service for free.

If they had received ISK and ships for just doing PVP without the podcast...that's more like what's happening there. SB is being rewarded for running a business in game.

How long until CCP rewards the ISK doublers? Because that's basically the same thing.

Gambling is also for entertainment :D If not that then for what?
The podcast had advertisment (for SOMER Blink, hehe), that means the listeners were the product.
If you want to take part in a Tournament you also need to have an active account.

Do ISK doublers (the scammers) give out billions of ISK for ingame events?


if it meant more people gave them isk to double, of course they would.

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Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2013-10-10 20:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Plug in Baby
Thanks for the reponse, although not entirely sure why you bothered thanking the CSM, if their role had any value surely they would have been consulted beforehand.


Just an additional question that has come out of this, apologies if this is off-topic but it seems that any thread with the word Somer in it should be kept to one thread at the moment.

Are Somers GTC selling activities acceptable with regard to the EULA?

I.e. Could I, provided I set up a website:

A) Sell a GTC + 100m ISK for $5 profit

B) Sell a GTC + 100m ISK value of lottery tokens for $5 profit

C) Sell a GTC + 10bn ISK for $200 profit

D) Sell a GTC + 10bn ISK value of lottery tokens for $200 profit

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.

Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#106 - 2013-10-10 20:02:14 UTC
Character-binding things is very much not in the spirit of EVE, and I don't think that should ever happen.

Things like the trading cards and other random items that aren't ships never seem to draw the level of ISK that a rare ship would. That might be an area for you to look at.

I still think WiS would offer great opportunities for more reward-type things. Heck, awards you could stick on your CQ walls.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#107 - 2013-10-10 20:03:25 UTC
I'm taking a dinner break. Going home for pizza and then I'll check in again! Thanks for the responses so far.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

K0ttDiledundee
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#108 - 2013-10-10 20:04:08 UTC
What about those of us who have played for many many years without breaks in our subscription.........where's our special rare items? We've spent years generating real content in the form of battles and participation in your game and we dont even get a thanjs. All sb does is rake in isk through controling a lottery with stacked odds in favor of fake/alt characters. And now they've been given even more isk. Sad ccp just sad. And what on earth is this rubicon "expansion" theres nothing new except two ships and some balancing....oh and bastion mode.................this "expansion" looks a lot like incarna. No expanding just a couple bells and whistles. Way to shoot yourself in the foot twice in about a week
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#109 - 2013-10-10 20:04:20 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:

If people want to put monocles on their furries, I don't give a crap. If people want special unique ships in a spaceships sandbox, I give a crap.

Hence the line in the sand; Don't give out anything that can undock unless it's a part of a CCP organized event.
It's up to the community at large if they agree with this position.

That is what I seriously don't get.

The ship is not better in any other way, it's just like a golden monocle thats locked in a station somewhere.
It does not give you any ingame benefit, even if they decide to undock it, no?

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-10-10 20:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Kate stark wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:

If you say items you can't undock, do you also mean not tradable? Or why does the undocking part matter? And 1B ISK ship has the same value as a 1B monocle, no?

We needed a line in the sand. I provided it. Just that simple.

If people want to put monocles on their furries, I don't give a crap. If people want special unique ships in a spaceships sandbox, I give a crap.

Hence the line in the sand; Don't give out anything that can undock unless it's a part of a CCP organized event.
It's up to the community at large if they agree with this position.


the market is still part of the sandbox, unless the item is nontransferable the issue persists regardless of whether it can undock or not.

Meh, the market for monocles and thousand dollar jeans is not that large and saturates far more readily. If that wasn't the case, we'd have seen far, far greater development of incarna/WiS by now.

No one would have batted an eye if CCP gave Somer 20 monocles instead of 20 IWS.

l0rd carlos wrote:

That is what I seriously don't get.

The ship is not better in any other way, it's just like a golden monocle thats locked in a station somewhere.
It does not give you any ingame benefit, even if they decide to undock it, no?


But it IS a ship, in a spaceships sandbox mmo. Like I said, a line in the sand needs to be drawn somewhere. I would choose to draw it at things that undock (unless of course it's for an event run by CCP itself).
Kate stark
#111 - 2013-10-10 20:05:00 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
I'm taking a dinner break. Going home for pizza and then I'll check in again! Thanks for the responses so far.

if you have pineapple as a topping, you're a terrible person.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#112 - 2013-10-10 20:06:00 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
I'm taking a dinner break. Going home for pizza and then I'll check in again! Thanks for the responses so far.

if you have pineapple as a topping, you're a terrible person.


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CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#113 - 2013-10-10 20:06:13 UTC
I personally don't care about this whole Somer Blink issue, I think it has been overblown, but I do have reservations about spawning in-game items as rewards.

If CCP really wants to spawn in-game items as rewards, then the items must be non-transferable, and there needs to be transparency about the award. Not just for auditing purposes, but because as an EVE player I want to know who is doing what for the EVE community. I'd love to see a site showing all the IWS people with a brief description of what the award was for! I'm amazed that so many community heroes may not be getting any recognition beyond the reward.

I also dislike limited editions of anything, example: tournament ships, Quafe fanfest shirts, etc.

What I do approve of, and think is incredibly cool, are things like the Jita & Amarr monuments with names forever emblazoned on them, even after the events are long forgotten. I was disappointed to see those removed after the Incarna riots. I could imagine a CONCORD system set aside for just such a NCO museum.
Erica Sukarala
Rising Storm.
#114 - 2013-10-10 20:08:42 UTC
Everyone should be happy about CCP giving away this ship as a prize. All it does is put a little money in someone's pocket. What are they going to do with it? Spend it on ships and modules that are going to get blown up. If you have a problem with this system, you should have a problem with the PLEX to ISK exchange, since anyone can just spend IRL to be space rich.

Nomnomnom

Kate stark
#115 - 2013-10-10 20:08:52 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:

If you say items you can't undock, do you also mean not tradable? Or why does the undocking part matter? And 1B ISK ship has the same value as a 1B monocle, no?

We needed a line in the sand. I provided it. Just that simple.

If people want to put monocles on their furries, I don't give a crap. If people want special unique ships in a spaceships sandbox, I give a crap.

Hence the line in the sand; Don't give out anything that can undock unless it's a part of a CCP organized event.
It's up to the community at large if they agree with this position.


the market is still part of the sandbox, unless the item is nontransferable the issue persists regardless of whether it can undock or not.

Meh, the market for monocles and thousand dollar jeans is not that large and saturates far more readily. If that wasn't the case, we'd have seen far, far greater development of incarna/WiS by now.

No one would have batted an eye if CCP gave Somer 20 monocles instead of 20 IWS.

"as long as it doesn't affect my corner of the sandbox" is a bad justification.
either the rewards should affect the sandbox, or they shouldn't.

nobody massively cared that they got scorpions, the fact that CCP seem to be showering blink with benevolence and half of which was done in secret is what made eyelids bat. mostly the combination, individually i doubt either would have stirred up much interest either.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-10-10 20:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Kate stark wrote:

"as long as it doesn't affect my corner of the sandbox" is a bad justification.
either the rewards should affect the sandbox, or they shouldn't.

nobody massively cared that they got scorpions, the fact that CCP seem to be showering blink with benevolence and half of which was done in secret is what made eyelids bat. mostly the combination, individually i doubt either would have stirred up much interest either.


Favoritism was/is absolutely an issue. When CCP tied the chance of getting a gold magnate or w/e to Blink participation, that is a line that should never have been crossed. Personally, I would like all giveaways (excluding CCP run events like the alliance tournaments) to be limited to plex or subscription time.

But, CCP clearly wants to expand their giveaway program. Fine. I'm providing sample guidelines for that expansion.

"as long as it doesn't affect my corner of the sandbox"

Spaceships are a pretty big corner of the spaceships sandbox. Monocles for furries isn't, otherwise we'd have full fledged WiS by now.
Cyrane Aurorea
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-10-10 20:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyrane Aurorea
CCP Guard wrote:


For the time being we are pausing all plans for rare in-game rewards to select third party contributors. We want to carefully consider your feedback and determine what our framework should be and what improvements to the level of transparency are needed so that the rewards program serves its intended purpose of making the EVE Universe a better place.

That’s it for now, let us know your thoughts.


I honestly feel this is a ridicilous decision.

It's really sad to see that cool things CCP does are now impossible due to a jealous, whining and selfish community that can't accept another player receiving special recognition from CCP and the rewards associated with that.

If anything CCP should increase its contribution to people, websites and initiatives that offer a certain (unique) service to the community, to further incentivize these.

These giveaways do not negatively impact me personally, nor do I feel that they negatively impact the EVE universe. I actually feel that the people that have received something from CCP so far have more than deserved it, and have, in most cases, enriched my experience in the game through their community contributions.

The only critique that may be deserved here is that there could be some more transparancy on the matter. An example to make it more transparant could be the following; a publication in the EVE newsletter detailing ''player abc'' has received a special reward from CCP for his/her contribution to the game, with details of what this reward is, and what contribution was deserving of such a reward (e.g. special event organized in the game).

Anyway I would hope that CCP reconsiders its stance on this subject and resumes its reward program in the near future.
Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2013-10-10 20:16:48 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
I'm taking a dinner break. Going home for pizza and then I'll check in again! Thanks for the responses so far.

if you have pineapple as a topping, you're a terrible person.

CCP should not endorse pizza toppings. It isn't fair to the other toppings.
Kate stark
#119 - 2013-10-10 20:17:35 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Spaceships are a pretty big corner of the spaceships sandbox. Monocles for furries isn't, otherwise we'd have full fledged WiS by now.


and spaceships can be purchased with the isk furries will pay for the monocles. as i said, it either affects the sandbox, or it doesn't.
that's basically why it's still an issue with the scorpions even though they're crap and refine to 1 trit. you can sell them and fund an entire fleet of ships.

a whole fleet of ships certainly affects the sandbox. an extra fleet could be the tipping point for an otherwise evenly matched fight.

but whatever, we're straying from the point here.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Morphisat
Millard Innovation Inc
#120 - 2013-10-10 20:17:49 UTC
This doesn't answer any questions at all. What ties does CCP have with Somer Blink ? First the weird community spotlight, then the lottery, followed by Billion isk ships.