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Sleepy Buddha
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2013-10-07 08:20:06 UTC
Adwokat Diabla wrote:
I feel that the sentinel in particular needs either a 4th highslot or a greater bonus to neuting. The current neut amount just isn't worth it to be good for anything against larger things which makes it practically very limited outside of FW. Additionally why not swap the cap recharge bonus for a optimal range bonus to td's when both the kitsune and the hyena both have range bonuses, and then just make the capacitor naturally bigger/recharge more.



wut wut??? this thing can shutdown cruiser in reasonable amount of time....
Fetish McButt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#242 - 2013-10-07 09:15:17 UTC
Adwokat Diabla wrote:
I feel that the sentinel in particular needs either a 4th highslot or a greater bonus to neuting. The current neut amount just isn't worth it to be good for anything against larger things which makes it practically very limited outside of FW. Additionally why not swap the cap recharge bonus for a optimal range bonus to td's when both the kitsune and the hyena both have range bonuses, and then just make the capacitor naturally bigger/recharge more.



Are you stupid, ****** or an idiot?

I bet you would like to have the neut to 80km, consume no cap at all and be able to neut a BS dry with one neutcycle. I bet you would like to give the sentinel speed up to 8km/s and tank of a heavy interdictor while keeping its sig at 15m.

Humans generally have this thing called brain. Please use it before you open your ******** mouth.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#243 - 2013-10-07 09:56:26 UTC
Awesome changes... can you please deploy them tomorrow... I really can't stand waiting any longer for them!
Lexiana Del'Amore
Nouvelle Rouvenor
#244 - 2013-10-07 11:12:03 UTC
The Keres needs both a higher bandwidth and larger drone bay...

KERES
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 15 / 30

otherwise nice changes
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#245 - 2013-10-07 14:26:03 UTC
wow I'm glad I wandered into features & ideas today

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#246 - 2013-10-07 16:58:23 UTC
Lexiana Del'Amore wrote:
The Keres needs both a higher bandwidth and larger drone bay...

KERES
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 15 / 30

otherwise nice changes



Would be too powerful since keres has the stronggest Ewar (the ewar that always win over the other ewars)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#247 - 2013-10-07 18:25:17 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#248 - 2013-10-07 18:49:30 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Because they haven't rebalanced the Recons yet. If this is any indication, the Recons will be even meaner.



As if recons aren't OP enough



No they are not.

Understand how they work to figure out they're quite easy to kill actually, their true strength is the number of buddies they bring/are with, not the ships combat abilities or tank...

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#249 - 2013-10-07 23:28:27 UTC
Gonna be training E-WAR frigs lvl 5 next...
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#250 - 2013-10-08 00:23:13 UTC
got to say i am having loads of fun on the test server with the keres.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
GeMiPaT
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#251 - 2013-10-08 00:50:37 UTC
nice CCP, these ships will finally be useful compared to T1 bigger counterparts. This improvements together with the warp speed changes should make them very useful to fast gangs (compared to slow recon/cruiser/BS)
Sleepy Buddha
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#252 - 2013-10-08 06:16:17 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
got to say i am having loads of fun on the test server with the keres.


kiting fit? 150mm rails?
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#253 - 2013-10-08 11:47:27 UTC
Hey guys

Thanks for the feedback.

So far I'm noticing two major threads
  • wtf are you thinking these are insanely strong (especially in FW frig 1v1 type environments)
  • wtf why didn't you reduce the sig or increase the hp/speed to make them more survivable

    • This seems pretty okay I think. I agree that some of them will make really OP 1v1 ships, but they will probably suffer from the same problems that ships like the dragoon already do - no one will want to fight you. When you move them out of the 1v1 environment and into small groups I think they seem like they will be alright because as the second group says, their survivability still isn't amazing.

    I wouldn't feel comfortable adding drones to the Keres, and it's tempting to remove some from the Sentinel to de-emphasize their role as duelers and push them more towards support. Probably won't do that, but I would prefer that option to adding more dps to the others.

    I'll keep watching the discussion and will also pay really close attention to their use after release and adjust as needed.

    Hopefully they're just really fun

    @ccp_rise
    Michael Harari
    Genos Occidere
    TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
    #254 - 2013-10-08 12:01:04 UTC
    Do you realize you can fit 20k ehp on these things in a fleet fit OR fit it for sig and have it abing around at 5k/s with a 20m sig WITH 6k ehp AND an MASB? (Warrior II drone has a 25m sig).
    Bouh Revetoile
    In Wreck we thrust
    #255 - 2013-10-08 12:03:47 UTC
    Michael Harari wrote:
    Do you realize you can fit 20k ehp on these things in a fleet fit OR fit it for sig and have it abing around at 5k/s with a 20m sig WITH 6k ehp AND an MASB? (Warrior II drone has a 25m sig).

    That looks more like a link thing than anything else...
    Michael Harari
    Genos Occidere
    TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
    #256 - 2013-10-08 12:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
    Bouh Revetoile wrote:
    Michael Harari wrote:
    Do you realize you can fit 20k ehp on these things in a fleet fit OR fit it for sig and have it abing around at 5k/s with a 20m sig WITH 6k ehp AND an MASB? (Warrior II drone has a 25m sig).

    That looks more like a link thing than anything else...


    Its a fitting thing. You should not be able to fit triple MSE to a keres with any number of fitting mods, but it fits quite easily. Same with 10mn ab + mse + masb (all on the same fit) hyena

    The webbing people at 85km while mwding at 10k/s yeah, thats a link+snake thing.
    SMT008
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #257 - 2013-10-08 12:13:29 UTC
    Before judging how well they are going to perform, you guys should check it out on Singularity. More importantly, check out the warp speed changes. Because that is exactly what makes EAFs good (In addition to the changes in this thread).
    Bouh Revetoile
    In Wreck we thrust
    #258 - 2013-10-08 12:23:37 UTC
    Michael Harari wrote:
    Its a fitting thing. You should not be able to fit triple MSE to a keres with any number of fitting mods, but it fits quite easily. Same with 10mn ab + mse + masb (all on the same fit) hyena

    The webbing people at 85km while mwding at 10k/s yeah, thats a link+snake thing.

    So, to sum it up, you can have weird EAF (overtanked, 10MN AB) with almost no EWAR ?
    Can't you do the same with almost any frigate ?
    Michael Harari
    Genos Occidere
    TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
    #259 - 2013-10-08 12:24:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
    Any frigate cant web you at 85k.

    Also you can drop the masb, fit a 2nd web, and still have enough hp, particularly with your sig that is 4/5ths of a light drone.
    Rab See
    Stellar Dynamics
    #260 - 2013-10-08 12:52:44 UTC
    So .... tackler.

    Sentinel - points, disrupts, neuts and kills. Gang not required :)

    Kitsune - points, jams and kills slowly, gang lands.

    Keres - points, damps and kills slowly, gang lands.

    Hyena, points, webs, paints and dies - or runs away in structure. Gang still in warp. Target has instawarped due to web effect.


    Sadly , can see the Hyena being used except in gangs as a force multiplier, not a tackler - but that's ok, Sentinel price spike already.

    Meh. Dev cant say drone boat is OP and maintain that another one (Keres) wont be. The Sentinel is OP, the hyena is UP [new meme] and the Kitsune and Keres live in the middle.

    Did I mention I think the hyena price spike hasnt started.