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Dev Blog: Player Owned Customs offices in Hi-Sec

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#361 - 2013-10-03 11:08:05 UTC
Elana Maggal wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Elana Maggal wrote:
Green Gambit= wrote:

Even with the POCOs, there's no insistance that you get involved with PvP. You can pay RvB to clear a POCO so you can claim it for your corp. Then you can tax it!


Give me a fukken break. Maybe this is why hi-sec Industrialists don't want to deal with the nul-sec sociopathic crowd ...

what level of player interaction do you find acceptable in your vision of my little pony online the massively multiplayer singleplayer game


This is the exact kind of nul-sec sheeeeet that players in hi-sec want to avoid. So much for a sand box where people can play the way the want eh? Not if you got Goon turds on the CSM ...


You can play the way you want. Now you have even more freedom, more choices, more ways to engage in the sandbox gameplay.

But all you can come up is some wacko goon-related tinfoilery and complain when you are given more freedom.



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Gigi Barbagrigia
Digital Oddity
#362 - 2013-10-03 11:57:52 UTC
Nice idea poorly implemented

  • There's no cost associated with ownership, that's stupid. Either there needs to be fuel of some sort required for running POCO or protection tax to CONCORD as CCP[forgot who] calls it needs to be paid by the owner.
  • Since POCOs follow reinforce mechanics wardec requirement doesn't hold water. Large entities move slower thus 48 hours grace period is way too much.


There will be no immediate GSF monopoly. Not because two squads, which in most cases will be enough to thwart an attack, couldn't get from VFK to Genesis in under an hour and that's not even using JCs but simply because of sheer size of the project. In the long run though, with no ownership cost, it would be silly not to install ISK printers at most if not all 'good' planets.

Then again, hisec is way too fragmented and maybe the 'threat' will force folks to pull head from the sand that makes this sandbox that some are so passionately defending.

As for GSF input; there are few people in the whole history of Goons that can claim any merit in creating ... well, another hisec basically and small maintenance crew. Majority however is crowd on par with empirers; just they hide behind PCs instead of CONCORD. Looking at posts themselves it's not hard to see who's who.
May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
#363 - 2013-10-03 12:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: May O'Neez
Quote:
You have distorted and destroyed what Hi sec was supposed to be in many peoples opinions.


many is not all, and is even less CCP's

I remember the WoD conference 2 years ago in Fanfest, and a CCP Dev stated that PVE and HiSec where merely 'Theme Park', ie a bootstrap for players. Plus you add several blogs which speaks about PvE changes in order to train to PVP mechanics, and Fanfest being focused on PvP ... you see the point.

EVE is aimed as being a WoT in Space within a one-shard sandbox. The PvE content and High Sec are only there because CCP couldn't find a way to attract all people to PvP, and obviously because of resources harvesting needed to build spaceships and support structures. I heard players in Fanfest being so proud of living in 0 and doing PvP that they qualified High Sec and PvE as having a "brain disease". They claimed that only PvP is fun and that other miss the point in the whole EVE. But they are neither representative of the full playbase, although being probably closer to CCP's or CSM.

~

Personnaly, I think that the biggest grieffer won't be Goons or other Null coallitions, but all the mercenary corps that do wardecs 24/7 in HS and are pretty installed in the area, hence having no trouble for logistics. These guys have no need to be big nor to be in alliance. They're not interrested to get money from POCOs so there's probability that some of them just claim in order to force people into PvP, they don't even need to build a new one behind, juste have to wait for the next guy. To these mercs the player-owned POCOs may just look like corpo ads promised to be wardecced. Regarding corpos offering services, there's possibility that some work together (like c1 decs, c2 offers to defends and c1/c2 share the gains), and in both cases (avoid or hire) the cost for prod corps is prohibitive.

To me, the PI will just be even less attractive in HS, except in some tight areas with heavy control by big corps. Small corps will just have to adapt or change business.
Wraith Lamented
Doomheim
#364 - 2013-10-03 13:06:27 UTC

This is absolute bunk: CCP just handed HiSec PI over to the massive corps and/or alliances like the Goons. Many people rely on PI to help build their bankroll so that they can eventually graduate into better ships with better modules. Its not enough that alliances like the Goons already own vast parts of nullsec and lowsec: now.. they get to impose themselves upon independent and small corps in HiSec too. Its not enough now that we don't hardly venture into lowsec for fear of getting ganked via gatecamps, or ganked in a mining belt whilst minding our own business. No, take away yet one more thing for a player to improve his stature in the game.

CCP: How is wardecing entities like the Goons even remotely feasible for small corps of 8 members, huh? Seriously??? And, lets say they do attack an interbus CS in Highsec to make room for their own... Concord ought to be there to crush them! Its unprovoked aggression!

"you can still play how you want?" NO, you cant! No longer will small potato guys like me be able to conduct industry unfettered in HiSec, without the imposition of mega-alliances and/or large corps. I NEED PI to fund my other adventures! "Well, if you have to rely on PI, you're doing something wrong...." Bug off! Says YOU. This isn't more freedom: its more pandering to sociopaths to enable them to further coerce and manipulate other players who do not have the experience or the inclination to engage in conflict. Some people STAY in HiSec, and out of Lowsec or Null, precisely because they want to avoid sociopathic aggression.

This is just so typical: the older players who have ALREADY MADE THEIR FORTUNES now get to dump on newer players trying to get a little ahead... in space that should be a relative safe haven.

THIS is a bridge too far. TOO FAR.

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#365 - 2013-10-03 13:23:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
No suspect flags = No fun

Typical high sec, every dummy and their brother tying to spam launch faster than the other guys when the CO goes boom. All to own a piece of poop that emits fart dust for taxes.

Edit:
After reading the post above mine I think this poco idea in high sec is worth more than the gantries in tears. wow...
Wraith Lamented
Doomheim
#366 - 2013-10-03 13:42:57 UTC
CCP... If you are going to just hand over HiSec CS over to mega corps and alliances you are pandering to, why stop there? Why not all of the Stations too? I mean, be consistent. So the NPC controlled CS can be sacked, but not the NPC Stations? Why not be entirely thorough and hand over the rest of HiSec too so that not only can we not conduct industry, but have nowhere to dock our ships, either?

Too Far.
Tex Steele
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#367 - 2013-10-03 13:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tex Steele
This is yet another BOHICA (Bend OVer Here It Comes Again) moment From CCP to the players of EVE.

This will severely damage the ability of single players and their alts to make ISK in the game by Running PI planets.

I can see one or two big corps, like the Merc corps, sweeping through vast areas of Empire, killing and replacing the POCOS, then taxing the single players out of existence. A 1-person corporation will have ZERO chance of declaring war on one of the bigger corps and taking down or taking back all the POCOs.

This move by CCP effectively Kills one aspect of the snigle player game in EVE. This is moving the game towards big corporations and more fighting. This is NOT a good thing for the single players and small corporations who depend upon PI as a primary source of income.

It is a crying shame that CCP cares so little for the players who truly enjoy ALL aspects of this game other than PvP.

I also have to ask: WHERE IS the CSM? After playing for several years, I am unconvinced that they are effectively representing our opinions. The only other alternative, which is more likely, is that CCP is simply not listening. This seems to be a pattern.

Thanks for NOTHING CCP.
Nocxi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#368 - 2013-10-03 14:03:42 UTC
I haven't read all the post, but no one seems to be bringing up a big point CCP has misses. Is the same standing requirement for POS in HiSec going to apply for POCO? If no, then why not? I am assuming there isn't, because it would have been said. That doesn't make any sense what so ever. So a corp/alliance with a -5 standing to Gallente can't put up a POS in 0.5 space for research, but Gallente is ok with the same corp/alliance putting up a POCO in 1.0 space and tax their own people to export items from their planet in their controlled space? How can that be justified? So a corp is considered enemies of a nation, and shot on site in HiSec can still put up a POCO and tax their people? Am I the only one that has a problem with this?
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#369 - 2013-10-03 14:28:17 UTC
Tex Steele wrote:
This is yet another BOHICA (Bend OVer Here It Comes Again) moment From CCP to the players of EVE.

This will severely damage the ability of single players and their alts to make ISK in the game by Running PI planets.

I can see one or two big corps, like the Merc corps, sweeping through vast areas of Empire, killing and replacing the POCOS, then taxing the single players out of existence. A 1-person corporation will have ZERO chance of declaring war on one of the bigger corps and taking down or taking back all the POCOs.

This move by CCP effectively Kills one aspect of the snigle player game in EVE. This is moving the game towards big corporations and more fighting. This is NOT a good thing for the single players and small corporations who depend upon PI as a primary source of income.

It is a crying shame that CCP cares so little for the players who truly enjoy ALL aspects of this game other than PvP.

I also have to ask: WHERE IS the CSM? After playing for several years, I am unconvinced that they are effectively representing our opinions. The only other alternative, which is more likely, is that CCP is simply not listening. This seems to be a pattern.

Thanks for NOTHING CCP.


I didn't realize FA was an alliance specializing in highsec activities.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
#370 - 2013-10-03 14:32:41 UTC
This is a terrible idea and I encourage CCP to stop and think this thoroughly. You are creating a massive land grab and granting monopolies on empire resources to nullsec alliances... in exchange for nothing. This means professional trolls like the goons are going to take as many POCOs as they can, just to grief.

PI is terrible in empire, and now is going to be pretty much unbearable dealing with launchers and factory planets locked out.
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#371 - 2013-10-03 14:42:37 UTC
Tex Steele wrote:
This is yet another BOHICA (Bend OVer Here It Comes Again) moment From CCP to the players of EVE.

This will severely damage the ability of single players and their alts to make ISK in the game by Running PI planets.

I can see one or two big corps, like the Merc corps, sweeping through vast areas of Empire, killing and replacing the POCOS, then taxing the single players out of existence. A 1-person corporation will have ZERO chance of declaring war on one of the bigger corps and taking down or taking back all the POCOs.

This move by CCP effectively Kills one aspect of the snigle player game in EVE. This is moving the game towards big corporations and more fighting. This is NOT a good thing for the single players and small corporations who depend upon PI as a primary source of income.

It is a crying shame that CCP cares so little for the players who truly enjoy ALL aspects of this game other than PvP.

I also have to ask: WHERE IS the CSM? After playing for several years, I am unconvinced that they are effectively representing our opinions. The only other alternative, which is more likely, is that CCP is simply not listening. This seems to be a pattern.

Thanks for NOTHING CCP.


Irony explosion.

Demon WAR Lords indeed.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Dant Perst
Dark Matter Industrial Corp
#372 - 2013-10-03 14:50:55 UTC
Just a bad idea. Power to tax is the power to destroy, and there are too many players in this game who will get a hard-on doing just that. I can also envision COs being destroyed in entire regions just for the "fun" of it. Too many downsides for those using high sec PI to achieve the means by which to enter the low sec and null sec game, and for those who do not have 3+ hours per day to mine (boring) and grind missions. This could be a deal-breaker for those of us who spend maybe 7 hours a week on EVE. Sounds like CCP needs some adult supervision in it's planning department.
Josef Djugashvilis
#373 - 2013-10-03 15:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Judging by some 'alliance' posts in here, it would seem that CCP is intent on bringing null-sec ego war to hi-sec.

This is not a signature.
Wraith Lamented
Doomheim
#374 - 2013-10-03 15:12:24 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Judging by some of 'alliance' posts in here, it would seem that CCP is intent on bringing null-sec ego war to hi-sec.


Small corps and independents wont have the means to even dec the large corps/alliances controlling the POCOs

I was venting in npc corp and the older players are loving this... they have their fortunes made, so suck it for everyone else. Their attitude seems to be that we have to either play Eve the same way they do, or not at all. Thats rich.

CCP just handed HiSec over to smug sociopaths...
Shamus en Divalone
The Clandestine Forge
#375 - 2013-10-03 15:15:25 UTC
In order to erect a new POCO for a corporation in high sec would standings with that empire be required?
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#376 - 2013-10-03 15:17:01 UTC
Shamus en Divalone wrote:
In order to erect a new POCO for a corporation in high sec would standings with that empire be required?


No.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2013-10-03 15:27:28 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Irony explosion.

Demon WAR Lords indeed.


This is the price of having an empire, I guess.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#378 - 2013-10-03 17:10:28 UTC
Tex Steele wrote:
This is yet another BOHICA (Bend OVer Here It Comes Again) moment From CCP to the players of EVE.

This will severely damage the ability of single players and their alts to make ISK in the game by Running PI planets.

I can see one or two big corps, like the Merc corps, sweeping through vast areas of Empire, killing and replacing the POCOS, then taxing the single players out of existence. A 1-person corporation will have ZERO chance of declaring war on one of the bigger corps and taking down or taking back all the POCOs.

This move by CCP effectively Kills one aspect of the snigle player game in EVE. This is moving the game towards big corporations and more fighting. This is NOT a good thing for the single players and small corporations who depend upon PI as a primary source of income.

It is a crying shame that CCP cares so little for the players who truly enjoy ALL aspects of this game other than PvP.

I also have to ask: WHERE IS the CSM? After playing for several years, I am unconvinced that they are effectively representing our opinions. The only other alternative, which is more likely, is that CCP is simply not listening. This seems to be a pattern.

Thanks for NOTHING CCP.

I would highly recommend posting this on your npc corp posting alt next time
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#379 - 2013-10-03 17:10:28 UTC
Elana Maggal wrote:

This is the exact kind of nul-sec sheeeeet that players in hi-sec want to avoid. So much for a sand box where people can play the way the want eh? Not if you got Goon turds on the CSM ...

that's why it's so delightful

i will savor each and every isk we extract from you

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#380 - 2013-10-03 17:12:34 UTC
seriously, posting like that on a cfc dude was probably not very smart