EVE General Discussion

It's not an either/or argument. With appropriate planning we can see improvements to both space and stations. It's just a matter of what size steps to take.

Most WiS advocates would be satisfied with incremental steps that occur alongside improvements to flying in space.

The anti-WiS crowd seem to assume that everyone at CCP is an idiot that is incapable of having more than one project on the go at the same time. Which is funny.

I miss the days when you could say that EVE players were intelligent.

Then why, instead of campaigning against avatar content (in your incoherent way), are you not passionately against the THREE other games CCP are putting together.

Personally I think CCP has seen the writing on the wall and have decided that EVE is as large as it's going to get. So they are expanding to other products.

DUST is, at this point, a more entertaining game than EVE is. It's not going anywhere. And with any luck, should be part of the next sov system when CCP gets around to finally fixing that.

I think a player hub where people could walk around and do trades would be pretty cool, if that doesn't sound too akin to some Second Life nonsense where people just get caught up with dressing up dolls and showing them off.

However, exploring lost colonies might be fun so long as the devs don't go so far as to try and add some crap-ass combat mechanic or stupid puzzles into the mix, nothing to distract from the pure wonder of exploring desolate ruins and abandoned complexes...

That's my feeling. I don't think that they've scuttled EVE, but they aren't puting all the stakes on it neither. Wether they can't or they don't want to step beyond, they are leading EVE in a minimal resistance course that effectively prevents engaging potential new players.

The only parts of the game which are readily accesible to a newcomer are hisec, PvE and "carebear" activities. And they're going to dismantle that content after neglecting its development for years (that content is provided by the empires, and starting with Rubicon, the empires are going to crumble under the mighty capsuleers, hoozah!).

Even worst, the whole Hallelujah Plan and its 3 years course will end up rewarding only the players who already managed to make the transition to nullsec gameplay. The "new space" concept looks like SOV instead of SOV; "go there, take it, exploit it, fight massive battles for it, then lose it and quit the game because you no longer can do what you liked to do" is what 15% of the player base has been doing for 7 years since sovereignty was introduced.

And then, there's a huge "nothing" to the rest of players... including the ones EVE still hasn't met, and which will leave as soon as they're offered the pathetic excuse of a content that hisec delivers. That, in case that they manage to overcome the shock of creating a gorgeous avatar, see it walking aorund in a cool single room and then find out that that's it and they better turn it off.

Of course, 1% of them will get PvP, have fun, get the appropiate friends, have more fun, and will be happy as a pig in the mud, but 1% of a 1% is a tiny amount.

But I'm not trolling.

That's a convenient excuse for delivering nothing....

Wait, since it's a sandbox game and people want to mine and run missions, CCP shouldn't be interfering right? Or does the sandbox part only apply to what nullsec people decide to apply it to?

please no .. I get very annoyed when corpies say "promo" in corp chat since they are all addicted to blink, that's all we need every station with a gambling area. No one would have any isk left

Here's the thing - EvE the spaceship game funds all of CCPs projects and those projects use up resources that could be spent on developing the spaceship game. Now, you say it's funny that people should think that CCP is an idiot that is incapable of having more than on project on the go at the same time but the historical details say something different. I don't know if you were around for this but in the 18 months leading up to Incarna there was pretty much zero development carried out on EvE the spaceship game because CCP's staff and resources were deployed on other projects (Incarna, DUST and WoD). What did we get out of that period of divided focus? DUST has been far from successful and contributes almost nothing to the EvE universe; it is unclear whether or not it realistically has a future. Incarna was ... well ... Incarna and I don't think anyone would argue that it was a success. WoD certainly won't contribute anything directly to EvE, although if it is a success it will provide a second income stream so EvE players won't be supporting all of CCP's projects single-handedly. However, development of that project has been set back and CCP had to lay off a number of workers in the aftermath of the Incarna debacle, so we'll have to wait and see if and when that will materialise.

In short, with this track record, it is not really 'funny' to ask whether CCP is capable of successfully running multiple projects at the same time, especially when they have a track record of draining resources from core EvE gameplay to run other projects. It is perfectly legitimate for EvE players to worry about whether they will end up being sidelined again, as they have been in the past, despite being 'the goose that laid the golden egg'.