EVE General Discussion

So?

…and now you'll have to figure out a better way, or space will become very unsafe for you.

Not really, no. It just means you have to work a bit harder if you actually want to blow them up.

…both of which means that your chance of catching those interceptors won't actually change much.

…more dangerous on average and requiring more intelligent and versatile combined-arms tactics for both the offensive and the defensive side, yes. Just because your job just got a little harder doesn't mean the game is any safer. In fact, it rather proves that it got less safe for you, and you don't like that.

Any inty pilot that's worth anything can deal with bubbles anyway. Either by crashing the gate, or simply overheating their mids and being long gone before you even get a lock.

Id say making them nullified dosen't change too much. If anything, some of the dumber ones won't even try to MWD away, and you'll nab them while they are aligning.

Believe it or not, there are actually miners in null who don't bot.

I've read the arguments about using intel and to an extent, this is a valid argument but intel isn't always reliable and from what I can gather, after the proposed changes it will be possible for an interceptor to warp across a 40au system in around 6 seconds.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this estimate, but if it's true, that would mean a hulk mining in an 'anom' belt would be a very easy target. It wouldn't matter if it was aligned, it wouldn't matter if it warped to 'safety' the instant a bogey appeared in local.. the chances of survival would plummet. I've had a few narrow escapes to nullified T3 ships even without the proposed changes.

Weighing up the options, miners could switch to skiffs to try and get faster aligns/warps but it could still make for some close encounters and it would also cut the production. Going further down this route, we could switch to using ventures but the drop off in production would be very telling.

It's easy to say so what and suck it up, but mining is one of the least profitable pursuits in Eve as it is and we'd all like to be able to cover the cost of our accounts with plex bought ingame if we could wouldn't we?

It wasn't so long ago that we were told that changes were being made to encourage more people to mine in null sec and some players have taken the opportunity. Those same players are now being given the middle digit by CCP and the only advice seems to be suck it up/adapt.

Weighing the options for myself personally, I think my best option is to just stop mining and go do something else. I actually quite enjoy mining and will miss it but needs must I suppose. Despite being a juicy target for gankers and opportunists looking for easy kills to pad their killboards with, I've persevered with my mining career. At points, it's felt like I've been tied to a tree, just waiting for a dog to come along and p1ss up my leg... with the proposed changes, it would be more like being buried up to my neck in sand waiting to be p1ssed on, surrounded by signposts saying 'p1ss here'. ;)

I realise that a lot of players reading this will probably be revelling in my supposed tears and to those players I'd say go ahead and enjoy them if that's how you get your kicks. One quick word of caution though, those carebear tears might not taste quite so sweet if more 'career' miners like myself take the decision to just stop mining too. If the flow of ores for production dries up and the prices of ships/modules go through the roof as a result, I could quite easily see a few more tears. ;)

With the nerf to offgrid boosts that have already happened and CCP apparently looking at tinkering with the rorqual (presumably to nerf offgrid mining boosts as well) it's probably an ideal time to get out of mining anyway.

To those miners who are willing to try and adapt keep being pissed on, I offer my best wishes and I hope you succeed but tbh, I don't know why CCP doesn't just do away with mining as a concept and force everyone to get their ores from salvage instead. Doing that would probably sadden some players (including those padding their killboards) but at least it'd be an open and honest action instead of the tinkering to try and maximise their profits by cutting ingame income streams and steering players to buy plex to fund everything from CCP or their 'partners'.

Wow... I'm getting more and more cynical as time goes by... maybe it's just because I'm getting older, but maybe Eve is starting to rub off on me. :)

err.. Just to give you some facts.

- bogey entering local. He appears in your local list about 3-10 seconds before heself have loaded grid. Depending on the bogeys computer.
- Use the dirscan to find juicy targets. With superhuman good luck this is done in 10 seconds
- Don't know about the upcoming changes actual times to warping, so I give you the present numbers. Selecting the anom to warp to and click warp 1-2 seconds, accelerating to warp 8 seconds, warpi itself XXX seconds and decelerating from warp tunnel 20 seconds
- Burning to tacklerange of target 0-10 seconds

So as it is now it is pretty much impossible to get into system and tackle a miner / ratter in less than 42 seconds + the actual warp. 42 seconds time to look into local, pull your drones, align out and gtfo. 42 seconds. and that did not include the actual warptunnel time at all and was with the most optimistic numbers possible. More realistic is 1 minute to 1min 30seconds.

So after the patch you pretty much take the 28 seconds of accelerating and decelerating and change it to ... lets give a guess of 5 seconds. So stilla fter patch you have time 19 seconds without the actual warptunnel time. 19 seconds is tight I know, but still doable., As I stated in a post earlier, this just means you haveto be awake and not semi AFK. And even now the more realistic number of time you have to gtfo lies between 40 seconds and 1 minute.

So remove a way of tactically dealing with them and revert to the old insta-locking **** ?

Wow, bad thread. This kind of shake-up is exactly what's needed.

Also my first thought upon seeing this was "think of all those juicy travel fits warping to zero mmmm SB BS"

Gonna have to go all cliche here and say Adapt or Die.

Just to clarify. An inty warping to a gate at zero is far easier to kill than one warping to tacticals. At zero you just light your smartbombs. At tactical? Better have a perfect skill prober, on the ball, with a loki booster, sabre, rapier, and inty of your own.

Thanks for trying to be helpful but even as things stand at present, I've had bogies land ongrid before my warp kicked in so I'm not sure your numbers add up.

Also, a lot of them warp straight to anoms in the hope of catching someone without even bothering to scan.

This thread reads like the OP really wanted to be mad about something and settled for this non-issue. Crying about bubble camps being too hard because of nullified frigates is pretty funny. The point regarding landing in a bubble with your target is fair, but you could take your own advice and bounce from a perch to the bubble instead of warping to 0 at the celestial. Maybe you could use a different ship for chasing people into bubbles. Campers are known for their tactical nous and will surely find a workable solution.

This change is awesome, and I'm not saying that because it makes travel too safe. Only poor people use gates anyway.

@OP

I'm going to enjoy being able to fly right into the centre of your world in something very fast and difficult to catch, just to annoy you.