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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2161 - 2013-09-27 16:30:06 UTC
kosswomen Mckay wrote:
Stop listening to **** heads CCP. Be strong and keep to the original vision that included getting out of your ship.


Maybe you don't know this but you can already get out of your ship.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#2162 - 2013-09-27 17:03:58 UTC
The fact that my post, stating that we should have seen WiS or DUST integration work in this expansion, is now the most liked post in the first page of the expansion discussion thread should speak to some evidence that this is not a minority belief.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2163 - 2013-09-27 17:07:12 UTC
Crasniya wrote:
The fact that my post, stating that we should have seen WiS or DUST integration work in this expansion, is now the most liked post in the first page of the expansion discussion thread should speak to some evidence that this is not a minority belief.


More than 5000 views of that thread and only 29 people liked your post. Yep, majority has spoken.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2164 - 2013-09-27 17:37:43 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Crasniya wrote:
The fact that my post, stating that we should have seen WiS or DUST integration work in this expansion, is now the most liked post in the first page of the expansion discussion thread should speak to some evidence that this is not a minority belief.


More than 5000 views of that thread and only 29 people liked your post. Yep, majority has spoken.


She was using RP math.

It's the same math that deludes a few into believing space toilets, space pants, and minigames are going to bring in new subscriptions like crazy, and the lack of such "content" means certain doom for EVE.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#2165 - 2013-09-27 18:11:58 UTC
Hey, never never ever diss the power of space-pants. Especially if they come with a free codpiece shaped like a Damnation. In fact, they should introduce said space-pants and make it possible to have a portrait involving solely your trunk.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Taiwanistan
#2166 - 2013-09-27 18:13:36 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Crasniya wrote:
The fact that my post, stating that we should have seen WiS or DUST integration work in this expansion, is now the most liked post in the first page of the expansion discussion thread should speak to some evidence that this is not a minority belief.


More than 5000 views of that thread and only 29 people liked your post. Yep, majority has spoken.


She was using RP math.

It's the same math that deludes a few into believing space toilets, space pants, and minigames are going to bring in new subscriptions like crazy, and the lack of such "content" means certain doom for EVE.


and a bunch of dudes emoting each other in jitgrimmar fool bar, my, what lovely pants you have on there tsk tsk

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2167 - 2013-09-27 18:16:26 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Hey, never never ever diss the power of space-pants. Especially if they come with a free codpiece shaped like a Damnation. In fact, they should introduce said space-pants and make it possible to have a portrait involving solely your trunk.


WTB - Thorax codpiece. Shocked

Or would that qualify as something other than a codpiece?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2168 - 2013-09-27 18:40:25 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Hey, never never ever diss the power of space-pants. Especially if they come with a free codpiece shaped like a Damnation. In fact, they should introduce said space-pants and make it possible to have a portrait involving solely your trunk.


WTB - Thorax codpiece. Shocked

Or would that qualify as something other than a codpiece?


I think if you had a codpiece shaped like a Thorax, it might qualify as a strap-on. Just sayin'.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#2169 - 2013-09-27 21:22:18 UTC
Dont hate my SwAg brahs...
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2170 - 2013-09-27 21:56:47 UTC
Crasniya wrote:
The fact that my post, stating that we should have seen WiS or DUST integration work in this expansion, is now the most liked post in the first page of the expansion discussion thread should speak to some evidence that this is not a minority belief.


Thankfully game development isn't done on the basis of forum likes.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#2171 - 2013-09-27 22:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Fear not calculator users and spreadsheet lovers! Today I have something for you too!

You like that spreadsheet? How about the numbers? Can you calculate them well?


Funds Raised
$20,143,314

Star Citizens
261,929

This is outrageous! The game has not even launched and RSI already got half the playerbase(read alt accounts) of EVE and more money than CCP!

I'll be damned Evil
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#2172 - 2013-09-27 22:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Rhes wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
And to Rhes, i dont like your methods of furries and barbies but im on your side now of spaceships over avatars


And that's why I keep posting despite the organized resistance from furry and RP cartels.


I thought you are posting to turn this thread into ad hominem garbage instead of actual conversation about WiS because CCP and Goonswarm collaborate to keep status quo, pacify public and persuade people it's normal for the last non-dying subscription-based game not to have meaningful gameplay expansions during 3 years while shareholders feast on the money instead of investing them back into the game.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2173 - 2013-09-27 22:36:14 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
And to Rhes, i dont like your methods of furries and barbies but im on your side now of spaceships over avatars


And that's why I keep posting despite the organized resistance from furry and RP cartels.


I thought you are posting to turn this thread into ad hominem garbage instead of actual conversation about WiS because CCP and Goonswarm collaborate to keep status quo, pacify public and persuade people it's normal for the last non-dying subscription-based game not to have meaningful gameplay expansions during 3 years (since Incursion) while shareholders feast on the money instead of investing them back into the game.


You're right. I get PLEX to post in this thread.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#2174 - 2013-09-27 22:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Rhes wrote:

You're right. I get PLEX to post in this thread.


Dont hate my SwAg brah... It's bad fo yo health
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2175 - 2013-09-27 23:23:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
In then end it is all about resources. In theory if there was enough people developing the game all the major player groups could get what they want. However this obviously would cost more than any company could afford and probably turn the game into something no-one really recognizes as their own anymore.

So... company needs to prioritize what they want to do, with how much resources and what is worth doing.

It seems that CCP has taken the safe path and keeps redirecting some attention to sectors from where the money is currently coming. Those people seem to keep paying and game keeps going. This approach doesn't eat much resources, doesn't need much investments and has very small risks. Positive thing is that as long they keep doing this - Eve won't die :) Downside is that subscription amounts won't suddenly at least radically grow.

I can imagine reasons why CCP is doing what they are doing, but that doesn't really mean that I would accept it. In the end this isn't really black and white like "would you like us to fix the old stuff and be all about spaceships" OR "something else". This is something we players often seem to discuss about and IMO is totally wrong thing to argue about. I don't know if this is even something CCP want's us to bang our heads on to ignore the real issue behind the point.

In other words there is no "OR" between these current and new customers. In any successful company it is clear that you have to keep your old customers happy. You can not redirect all your resources just to attract new customers or the journey will end very fast. If you want new customers with some new concept you have to invest and assign more resources to the project while still keeping the old resources doing what they were doing.

As long CCP is not willing to invest greater part of the profits back to Eve and assign more developers to add new content which may or may not draw new subscribers from new target group - things really won't change.

I can only hope that someday some of the other CCP projects which have been eating from Eve start to make enough profits for them to give back to Eve and that CCP actually redirects those resources back to us as well. The flow has been other way around for too long already.

Obviously this is just customer feedback about "what I feel" without any statistical facts to back my beliefs up. Feel free to correct with real info if you know better. Would love to be wrong with this one.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2176 - 2013-09-27 23:26:09 UTC
kosswomen Mckay wrote:
I have given up on CCP especially since seeing star citizen and testing the hanger module.

Eve it's current state is like DOS compared Star Citizen being Windows 3.1. It has the same functionality but no graphical output. You can not fly your ship, aim or anything and when the developers tried to move the game toward the original vision then a vocal minority kicked up a fuss so they scrapped it.

To keep people interested in an MMO it has to change and develop. These patches that CCP roll out every 6 months are hardly representative of the head count of staff they have working internationally. I wonder what everyone is actually doing.

Eve needs this prototype, Wisley and Eve VR yesterday.

Like DOS Eve might be around for a long time but I know how i would prefer to interact with my PC and it certainly is not DOS.

Stop listening to **** heads CCP. Be strong and keep to the original vision that included getting out of your ship.


+1 Eve needs this.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2177 - 2013-09-28 00:00:21 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
In then end it is all about resources. In theory if there was enough people developing the game all the major player groups could get what they want. However this obviously would cost more than any company could afford and probably turn the game into something no-one really recognizes as their own anymore.

So... company needs to prioritize what they want to do, with how much resources and what is worth doing.

It seems that CCP has taken the safe path and keeps redirecting some attention to sectors from where the money is currently coming. Those people seem to keep paying and game keeps going. This approach doesn't eat much resources, doesn't need much investments and has very small risks. Positive thing is that as long they keep doing this - Eve won't die :) Downside is that subscription amounts won't suddenly at least radically grow.

I can imagine reasons why CCP is doing what they are doing, but that doesn't really mean that I would accept it. In the end this isn't really black and white like "would you like us to fix the old stuff and be all about spaceships" OR "something else". This is something we players often seem to discuss about and IMO is totally wrong thing to argue about. I don't know if this is even something CCP want's us to bang our heads on to ignore the real issue behind the point.

In other words there is no "OR" between these current and new customers. In any successful company it is clear that you have to keep your old customers happy. You can not redirect all your resources just to attract new customers or the journey will end very fast. If you want new customers with some new concept you have to invest and assign more resources to the project while still keeping the old resources doing what they were doing.

As long CCP is not willing to invest greater part of the profits back to Eve and assign more developers to add new content which may or may not draw new subscribers from new target group - things really won't change.

I can only hope that someday some of the other CCP projects which have been eating from Eve start to make enough profits for them to give back to Eve and that CCP actually redirects those resources back to us as well. The flow has been other way around for too long already.

Obviously this is just customer feedback about "what I feel" without any statistical facts to back my beliefs up. Feel free to correct with real info if you know better. Would love to be wrong with this one.


Eve subs have gone up every quarter since WiS was put on the backburner and CCP promised to focus on real Eve content.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Tanthalassa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2178 - 2013-09-28 02:39:40 UTC
Rhes wrote:

Eve subs have gone up every quarter since WiS was put on the backburner and CCP promised to focus on real Eve content.
Oh really? Would you like to provide some evidence for this claim?

Heavy spam of the Power of 2 is by far most likely the reason, which fueled basic requirement to multibox (or at least have multiple accounts) to succeed in this game.

Eve actual subscriber number could easily be only 2/3 of that 500k, due everyone and their grandma having alt accounts.

About the chart... Stop advertising 2nd Life. Don't they have a one account restriction per person in there? I wonder where 800k true sub number is coming from? *starts reeling*

P.S. Rhes, that's a fishing pole ^
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2179 - 2013-09-28 02:46:57 UTC
Tanthalassa wrote:
Heavy spam of the Power of 2 is by far most likely the reason, which fueled basic requirement to multibox (or at least have multiple accounts) to succeed in this game.

Eve actual subscriber number could easily be only 2/3 of that 500k, due everyone and their grandma having alt accounts


Alt accounts are regular accounts as far as CCP's accountants are concerned. Also, if people are purchasing additional accounts it means they are enjoying the game and the direction it's heading.

The point is that there is no proof that neglecting real Eve content again to add more roleplaying nonsense would increase subs in any meaningful number while there is a ton of proof (namely the Summer of Rage) that the opposite is true.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Tanthalassa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2180 - 2013-09-28 03:09:53 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Alt accounts are regular accounts as far as CCP's accountants are concerned. Also, if people are purchasing additional accounts it means they are enjoying the game and the direction it's heading.
Nope. For instance, I am hardly satisfied with direction, yet I have an extra account, because playing with just one is practically playing gimped.

Rhes wrote:
The point is that there is no proof that neglecting real Eve content again to add more roleplaying nonsense would increase subs in any meaningful number while there is a ton of proof (namely the Summer of Rage) that the opposite is true.
Would you explain why you associate WiS with "roleplaying nonsence" only?

The only proof that was brought by "summer of rage" is that:
Roime wrote:
<...>Overreacting, hysteric herdmental basement dwellers with entitlement issues gone full ****** is what almost destroyed the game, luckily all they achieved was a broken pixel statue.