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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2141 - 2013-09-27 04:50:15 UTC
Tanthalassa wrote:
Sure, CCP didn't keep the promises about WiS


Completely untrue. CCP promised to put WiS on the backburner and focus on real Eve gameplay and they have kept that promise. That's why the game has continued to grow every quarter since Incarna.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2142 - 2013-09-27 06:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
"Expansion" announce went exactly as I expected: handful of new features (mostly for low/null-sec) just to keep pretending devs still work on the game.

Meanwhile Star Citizen devs announced collectible fish for aquarium in hangars (remember Mass Effect 2 ?), windows and firing range (also lounge, armory, paint-able walls, racing hall as possible future upgrades). Now I feel like I have to give them more money.


I've tried to steer clear of the whole SC vs Eve, but man, the more I hear about SC, the more depressed I get when I look at Eve. I'm not going to pretend like making a game is easy in way, shape, or form, but at a certain point, I do have to kind of wonder what's going on at CCP?

Don't get me wrong, I like Eve, but I'm slowly leaning towards the "expansion = glorified patch" crowd as time goes on. I'm not expecting a huge mind-blowing expansion every time, but I'd be lying if I said I don't find these expansions lacking in one way or another. At this rate, I think I'm also skeptical if we'll ever see WiS at all. On top of that, World of Darkness is practically vaporware at this point and DUST514, while I do very much enjoy some aspects of it, is still riddled with problems. It doesn't really all add up if you ask me.

Again, I can not stress it enough: I like Eve and I like CCP or else I wouldn't even be here, but I'm just disappointed (and a little confused) is all it is. I suppose all I can really do is sit here, wait, and hope for the best, but man, they sure don't make it easy to stay optimistic.


Well, i am hooked to crack. My dealer is giving me increasingly worst stuff and i know he's gonna start selling me rat poison at any time, but i keep buying it because I am a junkie.

Just... there is that new dealer who used to be a big kahoona 20 years ago and promises the finest colombian junk. It's a long term deal, will take longer than a year, but I think I could clean myself for a few months, and then wait and get hooked on the new guy's stuff.

Because I know that CCP is gonna sell me rat poison at any time.

Now seriously, Rubicon is going from "not woaahh" to "meh" and a chance of "dammit".

There's so much chalk in this stuff that I could write on a wall with it, dudes.Ugh

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2143 - 2013-09-27 06:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Job Valador wrote:
Jebus Christ folks. You guys make me hate being pro WiS.

This expansion will be awesome. All the small gang **** im planing right now is going to be so much fun. And dont get me started on the rapid heavy launcher. More stuff like this gets released and i wont give a rats ass about avatar gameplay.

Well, I'm a PVE player and industrialist, that is more interested in the lore and the game world, then in fighting with others about useless POCOs, so you might excuse me for not getting all excited to see yet another "expansion" that does absolutly nothing for my play style... Roll

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#2144 - 2013-09-27 07:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3663397#post3663397

Roime wrote:
Rhes wrote:

Incarna almost destroyed the entire game. We should be trying to forget it ever happened.


No, Incarna didn't almost destroy anything. Overreacting, hysteric herdmental basement dwellers with entitlement issues gone full ****** is what almost destroyed the game, luckily all they achieved was a broken pixel statue.


Lol +1
ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2145 - 2013-09-27 08:14:35 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Please add a option to remove the WiS crap from the EvE Online client, uses too much HD space.


Please add an option to remove this Vaju crap from the forums, uses valuable bandwidth.


That option already exists my friend.
Click on the name below the player's portrait to the left, and select "Hide Posts"

ISD Gallifreyan

Lt. Commander

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2146 - 2013-09-27 08:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

That option already exists my friend.
Click on the name below the player's portrait to the left, and select "Hide Posts"

Haha, many thanks. : P

As for the state of this thread, well... I think people are just trying to complain for the sake of complaining in the hopes a **** storm is kicked up and CCP change their development plans. I really really want WiS content. Actual content.

The people in here talking about fish tanks, painting walls, and toilets really aren't helping themselves. Yes, SC is going to have a significantly better Avatar (and probably space travel) system than Eve does, but you don't need to keep going on about it. SC and fish tanks are besides the point, the point is that we want Avatar content and CCP's senior management is too stubborn, blind and stupid to see what we want and start steering towards it.

As for people ranting about this coming expansion being ****, well it already has more content than Odyssey had. Odyssey was a pile of **** and this expansion is going to be significantly better, at least if CCP doing start ******* up from here on. That said, I do hope there will be more, and this isn't it... otherwise it will feel like just a patch. A better patch than Odyssey, but still a patch.

I'm not sure I have the energy to argue in here any more. This coming patch might make me hold onto my sub for a bit, but I've lost all hope of ever seeing any WiS content. I can't help but feel sorry for the WiS supporters within CCP. They see we want it, and want to make it for us, but the stuck up, blind, elitist, 'old guard' at the top are incompetent.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2147 - 2013-09-27 09:13:42 UTC
Arduemont wrote:

The people in here talking about fish tanks, painting walls, and toilets really aren't helping themselves. Yes, SC is going to have a significantly better Avatar (and probably space travel) system than Eve does, but you don't need to keep going on about it. SC and fish tanks are besides the point, the point is that we want Avatar content and CCP's senior management is too stubborn, blind and stupid to see what we want and start steering towards it.


Hey let us dream about how awesome Eve would be if they actually did something similar. I don't care if its an aquarium with a goldfish or a shark in it or if its an aquarium at all, it's the WiS content im after, any WiS content that is better than 4 miserable rooms with nothing to do in them. And unfortunately for Eve, SC seems to be going to deliver that in spades.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2148 - 2013-09-27 09:25:13 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Arduemont wrote:

The people in here talking about fish tanks, painting walls, and toilets really aren't helping themselves. Yes, SC is going to have a significantly better Avatar (and probably space travel) system than Eve does, but you don't need to keep going on about it. SC and fish tanks are besides the point, the point is that we want Avatar content and CCP's senior management is too stubborn, blind and stupid to see what we want and start steering towards it.


Hey let us dream about how awesome Eve would be if they actually did something similar. I don't care if its an aquarium with a goldfish or a shark in it or if its an aquarium at all, it's the WiS content im after, any WiS content that is better than 4 miserable rooms with nothing to do in them. And unfortunately for Eve, SC seems to be going to deliver that in spades.



The funny thing is,if CCP delivered WIS as promised ,they did not have to deliver WIS content in spades at all.

R.S.I2014

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2149 - 2013-09-27 09:32:50 UTC
Hey this plex is running out today ,well i have seen enough of it already.

Had a nice month on these forums here .

With the usual 2 or 3 goons complaining about WIS and surprisingly a lot of new WIS lover posters

And another attempt from Bayasian to defend the lies of CCP

As expected WIS will never come to this game,sad but true .

I see you guys later ,maybe here or in another game with the real sci-fi gameplay and looks

bye bye

R.S.I2014

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2150 - 2013-09-27 09:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
The funny thing is,if CCP delivered WIS as promised ,they did not have to deliver WIS content in spades at all.

Exactly... instead they dumped the project all together and deliver bits and pieces of other new content (deployable structures) that are equally inconsistent, and yes, useless... great plan there. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2151 - 2013-09-27 09:39:16 UTC
Arduemont wrote:

As for people ranting about this coming expansion being ****, well it already has more content than Odyssey had. Odyssey was a pile of **** and this expansion is going to be significantly better, at least if CCP doing start ******* up from here on. That said, I do hope there will be more, and this isn't it... otherwise it will feel like just a patch. A better patch than Odyssey, but still a patch...


I take it back, I watched the recording of the live feed. It looks about as **** as Odyssey was. Great.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#2152 - 2013-09-27 13:22:25 UTC
I prefer a bunch of useful, well-designed tools to generate content in the sandbox to a boatload of useless features. Rebalancing was good and is good effort, it made previously useless spaceships viable and fun to use. In a way, they could just continue to rebalance things and a lot of people (including me) would be cheering - but they decided to add some kickass-looking new spaceships.

That are cloaky. And have pew pew lasers.

And we're getting space yurts. How's that for awesome.

I'd say CCP, once you're done with all those big sweeping changes that make us go "wooot!" - think about two-stage iteration of WiS. Stage 1: Make your House a Home.

Give the users a way to awesomify things they look at: hangars when they're ship spinning and possibly portraits (more scifi-looking addons, perhaps? Just... not in a form of collector items or 1 bil eyepieces. Let's give people a possibility to make how they look to others unique - the character creator is impressive on its own). All that done in a way that doesn't obstruct gameplay, just makes you log in and say "Yeah that's my hangar allright." and feel awesome for having one.

THEN think about a proper WiS as a gameplay element. Full of the usual tools for us to engage in our usual trade: sweet words, money and knives. For the weak, the willing and our "friends" respectively.

Oh and add normal NPC humans. So they can kneel before us when we walk by, yeah! How's that for ego enhancement, just what you need after a lost fight!

Now that I think of it, minigames. A simulation that lets you return to the times of earth and participate in a hunt! Unfortunately, the old data was translated by a drunken brutor so instead of "hunting with a falcon" you're "hunting falcons". But hey, stress relief.

Odyssey brought us a rebalance that sparked a war between two former allies and saw heaps of content generated through that. Let's hope Rubicon brings us even more fire, death and destruction - after all, we're getting some new tools and if all you've got is a hammer - everything looks like a nail.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#2153 - 2013-09-27 14:48:23 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Baby ChuChu wrote:

I've tried to steer clear of the whole SC vs Eve, but man, the more I hear about SC, the more depressed I get when I look at Eve. I'm not going to pretend like making a game is easy in way, shape, or form, but at a certain point, I do have to kind of wonder what's going on at CCP?


Well why play EVE if SC offers the game-play that you want?

The truth is this: CCP are no longer the innovators.


Don't really have much of a choice at the moment P. Also, even if SC came out, I wouldn't just suddenly stop liking what Eve has to offer. Would I like SC more though? Hard to say. For all I know it could be a burning pile of garbage when it comes out.

I suppose I should clarify the cause of my "depression." It's not so much the fact SC has fish or any of that other stuff, but rather it is the fact it, unlike Eve, has already created a pretty deep world outside of the spaceship on top of supposedly having pretty solid spaceship gameplay as well. Don't get me wrong, Eve spacehipness is kinda freaking awesome. I think we can all agree. That's why we're all here in the first place, right? However, while I don't know if I would use the word "promised," I think it's fair to say if we were to go back in time, CCP could certainly be found guilty of leading one to believe there would be more than just spaceships in the present.

And while I know plans have changed and there's other work to be done and blah blah blah, I can't be the only one who finds it just a little bit strange how a pretty solid company of 10 great years can't (or won't?) figure out how to also make progress on something they started talking about years ago.

I suppose I should also add I don't think SC is going to "damage" Eve in any meaningful capacity whatsoever, if at all, but yeah, it would certainly seem like CCP are no longer the innovators. Again, SC could come out and be absolutely terrible and/or no one would still be playing it within a month, but personally, I wouldn't bet against them based on what I've seen so far/
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#2154 - 2013-09-27 15:42:48 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
I regret having re-subscribed and this is my last account to go. Goodbye

May I ask for your stuff if you leave and no longer use it? I will put it to good use <3



He'll tell you no, because it's a hollow threat that's been used since 2003; and because of the fact he'll resubscribe once a few expancsions come through and he can actually then see what CCP is doing (that he could not perceive in advance)


I want to see other things too: like WiS - which is LONG over due... but if you can't be patient then you shouldn't be playing EVE in the first place imo.



QFT from the Rubicon discussion thread. HTFU or Biomass. If we get WiS, we get it, but till then im going to go "BANZAI!" in my new SOE cruiser.

And to Rhes, i dont like your methods of furries and barbies but im on your side now of spaceships over avatars

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2155 - 2013-09-27 15:47:34 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:

And while I know plans have changed and there's other work to be done and blah blah blah, I can't be the only one who finds it just a little bit strange how a pretty solid company of 10 great years can't (or won't?) figure out how to also make progress on something they started talking about years ago.


I think it's fair to say they wont, rather than can't. I think mostly because they are busy making stuff no one asked for, like Dust and Valkyrie. They are quite capable of making Eve much better very quickly, but they wont because they have committed to two unasked for games concepts.

Just imagine for a moment what we would have now if that development time was spent on Eve instead of Dust fail. It really shows in the last two expansions, and probably the next one. We're getting half the amount of content that we used to.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#2156 - 2013-09-27 15:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Hey this plex is running out today ,well i have seen enough of it already.

Had a nice month on these forums here .

With the usual 2 or 3 goons complaining about WIS and surprisingly a lot of new WIS lover posters

And another attempt from Bayasian to defend the lies of CCP

As expected WIS will never come to this game,sad but true .

I see you guys later ,maybe here or in another game with the real sci-fi gameplay and looks

bye bye


I hear you man, I personally am just keeping this account running cause I got a lotta isk to trade for PLEXes but have also unsubbed almost 2 years ago when they rolled back on the Incarna plan. No way I would be giving out my money for this recycled garbage. Don't sweat it we'll see each other in other Carnivals soon.

Btw, did you say Sad But True???
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2157 - 2013-09-27 15:54:21 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Baby ChuChu wrote:

I've tried to steer clear of the whole SC vs Eve, but man, the more I hear about SC, the more depressed I get when I look at Eve. I'm not going to pretend like making a game is easy in way, shape, or form, but at a certain point, I do have to kind of wonder what's going on at CCP?


Well why play EVE if SC offers the game-play that you want?

The truth is this: CCP are no longer the innovators.


Don't really have much of a choice at the moment P. Also, even if SC came out, I wouldn't just suddenly stop liking what Eve has to offer. Would I like SC more though? Hard to say. For all I know it could be a burning pile of garbage when it comes out.

I suppose I should clarify the cause of my "depression." It's not so much the fact SC has fish or any of that other stuff, but rather it is the fact it, unlike Eve, has already created a pretty deep world outside of the spaceship on top of supposedly having pretty solid spaceship gameplay as well. Don't get me wrong, Eve spacehipness is kinda freaking awesome. I think we can all agree. That's why we're all here in the first place, right? However, while I don't know if I would use the word "promised," I think it's fair to say if we were to go back in time, CCP could certainly be found guilty of leading one to believe there would be more than just spaceships in the present.

And while I know plans have changed and there's other work to be done and blah blah blah, I can't be the only one who finds it just a little bit strange how a pretty solid company of 10 great years can't (or won't?) figure out how to also make progress on something they started talking about years ago.

I suppose I should also add I don't think SC is going to "damage" Eve in any meaningful capacity whatsoever, if at all, but yeah, it would certainly seem like CCP are no longer the innovators. Again, SC could come out and be absolutely terrible and/or no one would still be playing it within a month, but personally, I wouldn't bet against them based on what I've seen so far/



everybody in this thread are here because they like EvE .
I mean look at me , i stopped playing EvE a few months ago ,but still follow this game.
But CCP had a vision for a reason and for that same reason other companies are trying to put that same vision in their game.
CCP is just a bit to late.
Will it kill EvE ? not for the first 4 years



R.S.I2014

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2158 - 2013-09-27 16:21:17 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
And to Rhes, i dont like your methods of furries and barbies but im on your side now of spaceships over avatars


And that's why I keep posting despite the organized resistance from furry and RP cartels.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2159 - 2013-09-27 16:22:17 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
everybody in this thread are here because they like EvE .


People demanding that CCP waste time and resources on fish tanks and toilets don't like Eve. They want it to fail.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

kosswomen Mckay
Fight Club Outfit
DammFam
#2160 - 2013-09-27 16:26:24 UTC
I have given up on CCP especially since seeing star citizen and testing the hanger module.

Eve it's current state is like DOS compared Star Citizen being Windows 3.1. It has the same functionality but no graphical output. You can not fly your ship, aim or anything and when the developers tried to move the game toward the original vision then a vocal minority kicked up a fuss so they scrapped it.

To keep people interested in an MMO it has to change and develop. These patches that CCP roll out every 6 months are hardly representative of the head count of staff they have working internationally. I wonder what everyone is actually doing.

Eve needs this prototype, Wisley and Eve VR yesterday.

Like DOS Eve might be around for a long time but I know how i would prefer to interact with my PC and it certainly is not DOS.

Stop listening to **** heads CCP. Be strong and keep to the original vision that included getting out of your ship.